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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    I have no idea how easy or difficult it would be to add an eraser but from a freehand drawing stand point it would go hand in hand with the new pressure sensitivity and sketch mode features. Many tablets have pens that can be turned upside down to use an eraser function (just like a pencil) Just think an eraser with pressure sensitivity now that would be cool.
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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    Quote Originally Posted by HayTay View Post


    Can you post an example or describe a situation detailing what is so important or impossible for you to do in XX/XXP/XP&GD/XDP that can't be done without the use of an eraser tool?
    Hi Harry

    its not really about something not possible in principle, its about speed and freehand artistry [for me anyhow] so maybe not an issue for those not using a tablet

    I attach a very quick and simple example [ its an ear]

    to turn the left into the right, in a random artistic, 'seat of the pants' way really needs an eraser - and then, especially if its pressure sensitive it takes literally a couple of seconds [EDITED - to get left and right, right way round ]

    in the case of one 'eraser line' you can use the workaround I posted earlier - but if you do not want to convert your base line to shape this is not on - plus if you have a whole bunch of 'erase lines' to subtract as one it gets tedious

    Perhaps the fact that illustrator, inkscape, coreldraw and serifdraw all have erasers speaks for itself...
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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    You must ask for web tools, or for a new tool or feature to handle raster images. Xara forgot the word VECTORIAL, they are not offering real upgrades in vector tools since V3.
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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    Quote Originally Posted by covoxer View Post
    Is it? Well, there are sources of the XaraLX available so you can show us how to do it.
    Sorry, I already did that extensively with Blender, however, I found open-source coding for free not very rewarding, so I eventually gave up on it.

    If you tell me the major implementation obstacles I'm overlooking, I'd be all ears
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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    Quote Originally Posted by instinctive.de View Post
    Sorry, I already did that extensively with Blender
    Oh, so now you know all the code in the world?
    If you tell me the major implementation obstacles I'm overlooking
    I don't find explaining you the Camelot code anything near to easy. And you say it is "terribly easy to implement" for you. So it is much easier for you to just implement it. Right?
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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    Was I wrong with my statement that basically, all that Xtreme would have to do is

    1. Act as if the eraser tool was the pencil tool
    2. Select all shapes underneith and touched by the last drawn stroke, and then execute the "Substract" function

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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    Quote Originally Posted by instinctive.de View Post
    Was I wrong with my statement that basically, all that Xtreme would have to do is
    You are wrong assuming that these two very generalized ideas are "terribly easy to implement" on practice. I don't find it terribly easy to implement. Unless my understanding of the term "terribly easy" is somewhat incorrect.
    It is certainly terribly easy to understand what it is supposed to do, but there is a huge difference between the concept and it's implementation.
    I would appreciate if you don't do such far going conclusions without having any remote understanding of the code in question. Most people reading this forum are not programmers at all and they can be confused by this.
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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    OK. Maybe I'm just a bad programmer then I had several of these situations when I was still working on Blender - I had an idea, thought it was "terribly easy" to implement, and then just implemented it and committed to CVS. A few weeks or months later, someone else removed it and committed a "cleaner version". That took much longer to implement, but well. I'm just too impatient. Sorry
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    Default Re: I was all excited until......

    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    Hi Harry

    its not really about something not possible in principle, its about speed and freehand artistry [for me anyhow] so maybe not an issue for those not using a tablet

    I attach a very quick and simple example [ its an ear]

    to turn the left into the right, in a random artistic, 'seat of the pants' way really needs an eraser - and then, especially if its pressure sensitive it takes literally a couple of seconds [EDITED - to get left and right, right way round ]

    in the case of one 'eraser line' you can use the workaround I posted earlier - but if you do not want to convert your base line to shape this is not on - plus if you have a whole bunch of 'erase lines' to subtract as one it gets tedious

    Perhaps the fact that illustrator, inkscape, coreldraw and serifdraw all have erasers speaks for itself...
    My thoughts exactly! Erase with shapes? Uh,....no. My idea of erasing is to immediately remove a portion of a line without having to dive into measures that break up the spontaneity of the sketching process. As a tablet user,......this IS a huge deal for me. Whether it's hard or easy to implement on the programming side really wasn't what my beef was about,....but this VECTOR tool is being included in many other VECTOR graphics programs out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    its not really about something not possible in principle, its about speed and freehand artistry [for me anyhow] so maybe not an issue for those not using a tablet

    Perhaps the fact that illustrator, inkscape, coreldraw and serifdraw all have erasers speaks for itself...
    Sold! +1 from me for an Eraser Tool.

    Great example Steve J. You've convinced me that an eraser tool would be a fine addition to Xara's software tool set. I can now see where the eraser tool could be used to speed up some operations, easily add a touch of artistic flair to drawings and cartoons, and allow one to quickly 'roughen up' the hard edges of vector objects. As both you and TDolce say, this would be a definite boon to tablet users.

    Thanks for the explanation,
    Harry

 

 

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