Hi ernie, thanks

but makes no difference unfortunately, nor does acorn's suggestion of copying everything to a new file...

I have spent enough time on this, tomorrow is another year with other things to do

I will go back to ver 15.1 as default, in which I can do 90% or more of what I do in xara and a few things I cannot in later version, such as PDF merge to single page - I don't get fussed about the UI, it's legible for me, and I spend most of the time looking at the work and use keystrokes a lot

I've reinstalled ver 20, with default registry entries and will only use when I need any new feature which, as I say,won't be often; what with this and the stack order bug, just glad I did not pay full price