Tumbleweed Town

**mwenz** · 23 February 2024, 03:59 PM

You have access to how many people are active users, right? I would/should be counted as an inactive member...

I feel Xara has backwatered themselves. Even though they took back control from Magix distribution, the perpetual version (all I am interested in) seemingly lags far behind the subscription version. I won't upgrade until they are kept in-sync. Until Xara does that--and continues that--I feel they can drop the perpetual at any time.

**gwpriester** · 23 February 2024, 04:15 PM

There is an old Xara, the one that most of us grew up with, and the new Xara which is focusing on a totally different market. Most changes to the product favor the new Xara, e.g. Blocks. But for those of us who use Xara as a creative tool, not much to write home about. And I really don't think a lot of users of the new product are participating on TG. That's how I see it.

**handrawn** · 23 February 2024, 04:22 PM

I would venture to suggest... that the good old days were mostly driven by graphic artists......

the old crowd were interested in creativity, a lot of the time 'for it's own sake' as a learning experience; I am not sure you can do that with a website as it has to fullfil a practical need or it's pointless

and it seems to me that webmasters and branding bunnies mostly hang out on social media - the optics and exposure level of the likes of TG are not in it's favour

and I see gary has now posted along similar lines...

**Acorn** · 23 February 2024, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by mwenz

You have access to how many people are active users, right? I would/should be counted as an inactive member...

I feel Xara has backwatered themselves. Even though they took back control from Magix distribution, the perpetual version (all I am interested in) seemingly lags far behind the subscription version. I won't upgrade until they are kept in-sync. Until Xara does that--and continues that--I feel they can drop the perpetual at any time.

Mike, as a Mod I can only guess at the active users.
I would like to run a script for a count of those who have logged in in the last year. Anyone can check what and when any other has Posted; you, 15 in the last year. I do not know when you last logged in unless I hovered over the Who's Online for current active users. For instance we have one Banished Russian Spammer or Bot on-line now but Xara does not wish to hear or understand the implications of such.

Perpetual, according to Matt (@MB365) is only about 3 versions behind, less Web Blocks and the Online Content Catalogue (now Elements).
I have considered it but shied off as there do not appear to be any Bug Releases, almost back to pre-Magix days.

On a side note, I've a Xara email offering 40% of XPro+ where the discount code it still using "MAGIX" in its naming.
Check where Magix and Xara's offices are in Germany on Google Maps; it is quite explanatory.

On another, Xara has kindly offered up an off-line version of its knowledge base for Plus & Perpetual products but anyone who has legacy Magix products will gain from using it as well.
It is one way to find out what improvements are now around. Sadly, it has not yet been updated for v23.5, 23.6 & 23.7.

Acorn

**ss-kalm** · 23 February 2024, 05:11 PM

I keep looking for V20 perpetual on Xara's website. Unless you know where to find it (and I don't) it's VERY well hidden. Not only that, but the price to "upgrade" without any bonuses for owning a previous version is not worth the cost for what the changes are. Especially for someone like me who only uses the product for fun.

**Jonopen** · 27 February 2024, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by ss-kalm

I keep looking for V20 perpetual on Xara's website. Unless you know where to find it (and I don't) it's VERY well hidden. Not only that, but the price to "upgrade" without any bonuses for owning a previous version is not worth the cost for what the changes are. Especially for someone like me who only uses the product for fun.

I also keeping looking for some official news about the (legendary/mythological?) perpetual license.

Re Tumbleweed:

According to the Xara website last year 52,469 businesses transformed their brand experience (whatever that means!) with Xara. I would have thought with those sort of numbers TalkGraphics would be buzzing with new (or confused!) users. Even if 0.5% of those people signed into TG it could potentially mean around 262 new members.

To my mind the TG forum just doesn’t fit with the marketing and outlook of the main Xara website.

Maybe it's time for Xara GmbH to archive off the whole TalkGraphics forum

and start a completely fresh/more focussed one and call it something that specifically connects their company name to their products, for example, ‘Xara forum'.

**Acorn** · 27 February 2024, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jonopen

I also keeping looking for some official news about the (legendary/mythological?) perpetual license.
Re Tumbleweed:
According to the Xara website last year 52,469 businesses transformed their brand experience (whatever that means!) with Xara. I would have thought with those sort of numbers TalkGraphics would be buzzing with new (or confused!) users. Even if 0.5% of those people signed into TG it could potentially mean around 262 new members.

To my mind the TG forum just doesn’t fit with the marketing and outlook of the main Xara website.

Maybe it's time for Xara GmbH to archive off the whole TalkGraphics forum

and start a completely fresh/more focussed one and call it something that specifically connects their company name to their products, for example, ‘Xara forum'.

Jon, thank you. Totally agreed. Where are the 2,000,000+ licence holders for all Xara products?

Acorn