That whole thread was well worth the read, thanks for the pointer. My HP graphics laptop is now on its third hard drive, second mobo and vidcard. Eventually it's going to die the final death where it's no longer cost effective to resurrect it, and I need to figure out with what I'll replace it. The 17" Mac Book Pro is looking better and better, especially now that Rhino 3D is coming out in a native Mac version. I'm with the posters in that thread who don't want to be forced into using Illustrator all the time. Been there, done that, really didn't like it.