Nice to see Xara get a mention..

**pauland** · 02 August 2021, 04:17 PM

Couldn't you guys just be glad that Xara had a mention without picking the whole thing to bits?

**gwpriester** · 02 August 2021, 04:45 PM

Couldn't you guys just be glad that Xara had a mention without picking the whole thing to bits?

**Acorn** · 02 August 2021, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by gwpriester

Gary & Paul, say you created something 6 years ago but vastly improved it since then and your reputation and business hinged on what you now produce rather than your original artwork...

...it shows up Xara's efforts in a poor light.

Acorn

**handrawn** · 02 August 2021, 06:25 PM

nicely put acorn

**pauland** · 02 August 2021, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Acorn

Gary & Paul, say you created something 6 years ago but vastly improved it since then and your reputation and business hinged on what you now produce rather than your original artwork...

...it shows up Xara's efforts in a poor light.

Acorn

All that required was "Why doesn't Xara tell this guy he's recommending out of date software?" or "Why doesn't Xara get mentioned elsewhere?".

I'd rather there was a mention of Xara than no mention.

You guys also conveniently miss out the price/capability issue. Maybe it would never be recommended at a higher price point. Once the price point goes up Xara looks weak as a page layout program.

Anyway we all have a different take on this and my take-away is don't bother with Xara mentions again!

**handrawn** · 02 August 2021, 07:16 PM

sorry paul, but sh*t reviews are endemic on the web.. that is is the most important thing here

sure there is a price point - but I would argue you recommend something with legs, not something dead in the water that will not take you where you should be going as you develop

sure it is good xara was mentioned, just a shame about the context

**mwenz** · 03 August 2021, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by pauland

Couldn't you guys just be glad that Xara had a mention without picking the whole thing to bits?

Why? Why does Xara deserve a mention as a software for doing layout work? What is, Layout Software?

That is not to say that some manage to do layout work with an Xara product. Hell, I've hammered in nails using a Crescent wrench and would criticise an article about hammers including a Crescent wrench in it.

**Boy** · 03 August 2021, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by mwenz

Hell, I've hammered in nails using a Crescent wrench and would criticise an article about hammers including a Crescent wrench in it.

Now that's a man talking!

**pauland** · 03 August 2021, 02:20 PM

I'd like to think that Xara getting any positive mention outside of TG for any reason is a good thing.

Some people have used Xara for book production so while it is far from being the best for that purpose it is possible and favoured for that by some eminent users.

It was simply a heads-up for a rare mention of Xara and never intended to be some kind of dissection of the article or of Xara.

I'm quite saddened by the way people have and are responding to it. I guess it's a sign of the frustration of users with the development.

Perhaps it's time to close this thread, or even just delete it given the overwhelmingly negative response.

**mwenz** · 03 August 2021, 02:43 PM

Again, Why? Why close it or delete it? Because there wasn't only a bunch of enthuistic responses?

Some people have used Xara for book production so while it is far from being the best for that purpose it is possible and favoured for that by some eminent users.

And I am quite "happy" that the 1-3 users that have created a, or X number, of book(s) in an Xara product have done so. But, then again, the article mentioned a defunct Xara product that, to the best of my knowledge, isn't/hasn't/wasn't used for said books.

One of my issues with the referenced article using a defunct Xara application as a recommendation is people will/can be sorely misled by it. That missleading doesn't do Xara (the company) any good what so ever. Even if the article mentioned Xara Designer Pro, the article would be at best an inaccurate representation of XDP's capabilities--at least as regards a new user. Which, again, doesn't do Xara (the company) any good.

If Xara (the company) wants good press to further its name, there are ways to do that. Xara (the company) historically hasn't seem to care about actual marketing.

Is XDP, XP&GD, et al good software? I think it is. I would love to see real reviews concerning it. But they should be about the software's strength at the core of said review...even if the reviewer touched on edge-cases (such as layout).