"Not Safe for Work" designation (and opinions)

**Barbara B** · 28 May 2013, 08:09 AM

Jon, your previous post and this post are the very definition of patronizing. You say that anyone who disagrees with you about the acceptability of the content in question is from an uncivilized country and that anyone who would benefit from getting a heads up warning from a NSFW flag is stupid. You say you laugh at the nanny state, yet you address your remarks directly at Frances and at me and instruct us on what we should stick to and how to do our assignments here on TG as if you are our supervisor. Neither Frances nor I are self-appointed guardians of this forum. Unlike you, we (and the other moderators) were appointed by or with the approval of the owners of this forum to oversee the operation of TalkGraphics.

It is the policy of Xara, and by extension TalkGraphics, to warn users of content that may contain nudity or other material that may not be safe for work or may be otherwise offensive and to prominently flag those threads/content, so members may decide for themselves if they wish to view it.

Content that is harassing, racist, sexist, promotes violence, hate speech, spam, malware, is illegal or otherwise effects the operation and well being of the forum or strains the civility of the forum is not tolerated here.

Moderators and administrators may, at their discretion, remove such posts or threads completely, or edit the posts or threads with notation as to why it was edited. All content on this forum is subject to review by moderators and administrators and always has been. Users are encouraged to report posts they find questionable for review by the moderator team. This is a standard, common sense policy and it is not a new one.

As to my credentials, I have set up, maintained, and run bulletin boards, forums, and user groups for more than twenty years. I have authored and co-authored books, published by major publishing houses, on topics such as the Internet, graphics and office software. I develop websites. I have done private, by invitation, (not public) beta testing for every major graphic software publisher and for two operating systems. I have been a consultant to Fortune 500 companies. But more to the point of your question, Xara appointed me to be the Administrator of TalkGraphics and to develop the WP infrastructure and theme for XaraXone.

Corporate and corporate sponsored websites often require database driven, content management systems. Xara.com and all Magix sites use content management systems and therefore so does XaraXone.com. For example:
· Xara.com uses a .php based content management system.
· Magix.com uses the content management system, TYPO3.
· Magix Magazine at http://magazine.magix.com/, Magix Music Maker http://www.music-maker.com/ and Magix’s Samplitude Pro X site at http://www.samplitude.com/ and XaraXone.com all use WordPress.
· Magix Online World at http://www.magix-online.com/ uses MAGIX-CMS

If you find the moderation of this and similar posts here disagreeable, or find the choice of software used for the corporate websites to be questionable, then I suggest you take it up with Xara by using this Contact Us link or perhaps find another forum that suits your sensibilities better.

**ckh** · 28 May 2013, 07:23 PM

I've been visiting this forum for years. I like and use Xara products but in no definition of the word and artist. I think the biggest reason why I come here is to see the art.

I've never had a problem with pictures or links posted here and have found that artists have a different opinion on what is acceptable and what isn't as compared to the general population. Here are some links to pics I've found posted on the forum here and not off site links.

http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...235#post469235
http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...939#post413939
http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...6943#post56943
http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...7845#post47845

where no moderation was done, not that I think any was needed. I've also seen a lot of drawings here where women were rather voluptuous. Pictures are indeed artistic also. I wouldn't think a site selling lingerie would draw too much criticism here especially since the site was being showcased as being created with Xara Products and even includes a warning. Wouldn't the lingerie itself be considered artistic?

So, I'm just kinda wondering where the consistency is here. After all, we are all grownups and visit this site voluntarily knowing that some of the art or work here may show the human body in artistic ways. I'm old enough where if I click on the link and after a quick glance decide it's not for me, I'd just close the tab and not view the site any more, I would imagine the same for someone in a work environment would be able to see in a glance whether the site was appropriate or not and just close the tab so it's not displayed any more. After all, there was a warning before hand by the original poster so nothing should have been a surprise. I would imagine if it wasn't appropriate for the workplace and after seeing the warning a person went there anyway, they will probably be visiting other sites that may not be appropriate for the workplace also.

**pauland** · 28 May 2013, 08:32 PM

We're all just people. The moderators give up their time and deserve some respect and leeway.

The not-safe-for-work thing is a bit quaint, but not worth making a fuss over.

The moderators (in general) have a fairly light touch (which is as it should be).

Lets not turn this trivial issue into a "let's bash the moderators" session.

**jon404** · 28 May 2013, 10:52 PM

Oh, you're right. I just wish they'd use Web Designer for the XaraXone. I'm a Web Designer user, and am surprised that Magix, Xara, or whoever didn't keep using it, instead of WordPress. Sort of like if you owned a Cadillac, and found out one day that all the GM executives drove Fords.

**handrawn** · 28 May 2013, 11:17 PM

you cannot compare web designer and wordpress like that

rather, if web designer is a cadillac, then wordpress is a whole fleet of lorries [or wagons or artics or whatever you call them] - you would spend for ever hauling the freight in a cadillac fast though it may be

but designer is used for the graphics on xara.com as I recall, I'm sure that has been mentioned, as you might expect...

**jon404** · 29 May 2013, 05:30 AM

@handrawn -- sorry for the bad analogy. But I really don't understand. XaraXone looks like a straightforward web site, nothing tricky. Why wouldn't you want to use Web Designer to create it and to maintain it? Look, I haven't kept up with website software for the last three years. Bring me up to date -- is WordPress actually preferable to Xara Web Designer for XaraXone-type websites? Ones with some monthly new material, links to outside stuff like YouTube videos, and links to lots of archived material?

I guess I'm missing it -- seems like Web Designer would be perfect, at least for the home page and any new material coming in. What do you think?

**pauland** · 29 May 2013, 07:24 AM

Wordpress and other CMS based sites allow easy updates to sites allowing the updater to concentrate on updating content rather than worrying so much about site structure and layout. Wordpress and systems like it are template-based - you set up the site layout and appearance (colour theme, etc) and from then on all updates are about content not laying out the site structure. It makes for a consistent website that can be updated by several people if necessary.

Unlike Xara software, there is no design file, the system is controlled from files and a database on the web server and you can get loads of different widgets and ready-made themes, or roll your own.

You can update the site from any computer, so it's ideal for an organisation where it's not possible for everyone to sit around a PC to work on a website. It's also ideal for large websites with a lot of content. You don't end up with a massive single file on your computer getting slower and slower as your site gets bigger.

I guess I'm missing it -- seems like Web Designer would be perfect, at least for the home page and any new material coming in. What do you think?

Yes, you are missing it.

Xara software is perfect for many types of site and circumstances, but it's not perfect software and not ideal for many situations. The same can be said for any software product.

You ask if WordPress is preferable to Xara and I would say that depends as much on the capabilities and skillset of the web designer, who is doing the updates and the where they are located - not just the kind or size of website.