Hi Alejandro you seem to know both Xara & Illy programmes but I can't see any difference really in both programmes bar in the xar. file the lettering is grouped. Could you possibly post the actual D Pro file as it should be as at the moment it is quite hard to see what you are trying to achieve. In both L/hand logos the lettering shapes are white with a copy which is also white behind and I can't see any reason for one of these copies. If you were trying to achieve a white stroke outline over the black swirl which would change into a black outline when over white background then you're going to using a mask or clipview at least and this is why I was asking for the .xar file.