I liked some of the effects I was getting with this one. Well Bill, Bob did a very nice tutorial, too bad I struggled with it so hard. I have followed the tutorial as best I can, over and over but always I seem to have problems. The last attempt has been the closest to success, but, I started trying something extra to it and ran into significant problems. I got it done, then used the 3Dtool on it and added a shadow and my poor computer would grind away trying to do what I asked but it took forever. Actually it didn't really want to do what I asked so even trying to add a shadow was a problem, change the trans. of the shadow was a problem, changing colors was a problem, so I am wondering if I need a better graphics card. Would Xara benefit from a dedicated graphics card? This is getting off topic, sorry about that.