Climbing the heights

[sallybode]

This is the Painter forum??? sure looked like the Graphics Gallery to me. If not, you really are off topic, Risto. The subject was painting with ArtRage, finding new techniques.

Here's one I happen to have done in Painter. But then, as you can see, I really don't know how to use that one either. I have the right to prefer what I prefer. And since you bring up Painter, Risto, this is just posted here for comparison. It's all about learning, right, or is it about leading and following?

A programs doesn't need to have every bell and whistle to be capable of being used by someone with an idea of how to make use of it. Whatever one does helps them be more adept at anything else they can try. Easier to learn the next one.

There are loads of things out there that are expensive, not that they don't have good features, you just don't need all the bells and whistles to do things which are fun to look at and didn't take forever to produce. Kind of a habit of mine, work in programs which are productive during the day, so I rather look to get the same productivity when I am off work. Isn't that the point with Xara, gives more than Illy, does much what Photoshop does and now has some InDesign features, makes .pdf, and it is fast. Cost loads less.

I thought finding the way from point A to point B meant you were doing alright. If you do that in record, time, well, when you pay for services rendered, basically customers like that.

You know some people are incapable of paying anyone a compliment. Ego thing with them. Insecurity.

I have been practicing, haven't told anyone I am selling anything. John suggested that I have enough skills. Funny, in my 40 hour a week job, we get return customers all based on my mediocrity.

But then my work is for people who know nothing of how good graphics should look. So, why don't you show us all how it is done? Why don't you post your paintings with a listing of all the reason why mine are so dreadful. If you can do realism and move beyond it, that is because you choose to do something else, don't have to prove it to yourself. And this is why your work is so avant garde, is it?

Perhaps the most beautiful painting one does in their life is the beauty they can give to others. It is a life's work. You rather remind me of the art critic in "History of the World Part I". Mel Brooks is quite funny.

This last one is done in Deep Paint.

Freedom of expression is available on the internet, of course it is limited, as maintaining freedom ought to be. Could you list please the rights again so that there is no doubt, or is it we have the right to remain silent? Not really a a blessing, Risto.

You can clone in ArtRage, it is true, I don't just do cloning. I paint what is there when that is what I want and take out what I don't like, also adding in things which were not there before. I said it before, I have been experimenting with the tools. But you have of course, no doubt, used them far more extensively so you can enlighten us all. Like when I did the Auburn which a friend of mine used to own, I started with what I saw, but changed certain elements as I went along. What is the problem if people like the results, does that offend you? Pretty hard to clone when you have painting which has ten layers.

Painter in comparison on my computer runs quite slowly, so gee, there are loads of brushes, but you can wait and wait to use them. It is a memory management issue, and it depends upon zoom level, number of layers. But it is slower.

If a person becomes an "artist" because of the expense of the program they are using, well, I buy all the upgrades to Xara, except I haven't bought the web stuff, I have the CorelDRAW Suite, I own Painter, and ArtRage, additionally there is PaintShopPro, Ulead PhotoImpact, shall I list them all? Haven't mentioned Adobe, do have some of that stuff too. Isn't Xara's point, is the professionalism of the program is look what people are doing with it??? Doesn't the same logic work for other programs which give good results? I rather think it is a good thing to support the little guy. Aren't most of us, "the little guy" ourselves???

Many people find resources to draw and fiddle around with, in books, magazines, resources provides in schools, purchased photos, and downloads from the internet, I have not used any of this commercially.