"Photoshop" for free

[Gaussian]

I agree with Gidget, it's buggy

A qoute from their web site about their windows version:

"The program(s) might crash unexpectedly or behave otherwise strangely

They even admit it themselves

Btw, what has Gimp to do with 3D graphics?

[Erik Heyninck]

Hey, Klaus, did you finally buy a mac or so? Just wondering...the way you write about Adobe's "superiority", the construction your of phrases, your arguments...this is really mac talk (I won't write Apple talk because that at least is a kind of communication...). Or do you suffer from a new fit of ego constipation?

I, for one, cannot paint with Talens oil colours. They contain too much oil, and a large quantity of the pigments are replaced by filling agents. I prefer Blockx and Oudt Hollands.
Yet never in my life I've been involved in something as silly as a discussion on which brand of oil paints would be the best. I know a French painter, François Schlesser ( http://imagic21eme.free.fr ), who uses Talens. Looking at his work is sufficient to make all the bigmouths shut up.
What I want to say is that it is high time to become a bit civilised, and stop spitting out opinions that add nothing whatsoever to the conversation on the topic.

When someone has really worked with any app untill he got it in his fingers, and the work of this specialist shows clearly that his work is not up to the stardards set by another specialist using another app, then we may conclude that app a has not the same quality of app b. When Gary posts this image, no one can tell whether it is done in PS, PP, PSP, the Gimp or any other app. All the rest is a waste of time.
Shorthly I will install Linux on a puter. And I am shure that the Gimp will be the first Linux app I'll open. I have seen many fascinating things done with it. And I don't have to invest my money as I can download the latest version of most known Linux distributions from the Internet.

I don't post often anymore at TG. The atmosphere lacks enthusiasm and some kind of friendliness I need to function well. Pity. Sorry to read that Ivan left...

[gidgit]

and, since it is you who have "dissed" PI along with several others here in your post through claiming better than status for Gimp, then I would be very interested in just how this app is more powerfull in any area than is PI... specifically PI there Gare... You have to download the latest version first and really understand it, become friendly with it, before you can suggest such IMHO...

[bmh216]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>This has become a hopelessly entangled morass of ill-will and antagonism. I'm sorry for my contribution to this negativity <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Amen, Gary, wow.

I usually lurk here because it used to be a vital, active group that I enjoyed being a part of. Gary pops in here (and for those who may not know, Gary was and is a very talented, impassioned, caring man with alot to offer this group) to show an interesting app he found (I've used the Gimp and it's non-modal windows are not my cup of tea) and he gets this? Maybe his claims were a bit premature, but this man has written books on Photoshop. How many others can stand up and say that? IOW, he knows his image editing apps. Cut him a little slack, guys, let's be civil, huh?

Gary, nice example (your nephew) of the power of the Gimp. I couldn't have pulled it off, but that's a pretty seamless composite.

Gidgit, I'm at a loss for words. You're usually very upbeat and cheerful in your words; in this thread you've spit a bit of venom at an undeserving target.

Brett

[dalel]

The primary problem with DA GIMP is that most of the common actions are buried deep in a twitchy menu system. Those menus would make anyone go batty.

Besides being ugly and buggy, DA GIMP just plain sucks because it is slow and a pain to use. Not to mention it crashes a lot.

On a scale of 1-10 Xara X is a 10 for sheer usability, speed and great output. DA GIMP may get a 2 if you can stand to use it long enough to get any output. Otherwise it gets a 1/2.

They sure named it right: DA GIMP hobbles along while all the good apps walk or run.


Why, I’m afraid I can’t explain myself, sir, because I’m not myself, you know...
- Lewis Carroll

[gidgit]

carry on my XP freind... please demonstrate some of why this app rocks in this area... I am all eyes

[gidgit]

uh, tops all those apps you say?

haha, come on Gary... there are alot of apps out there I would choose for image manipulation, but I seriously doubt that GIMP is one of them... it is buggy, least ways on my system, and furthermore IMHO comes nowhere close to having near the features as several of those apps you have mentioned...

[gidgit]

Haha, boyo, how to respond to this...

um... let's see... it's how many votes for said app vs how many against... seems kinda democratic to me... as for the attitude... well, I would venture to say that it is much more tame in here than in the House of Commons ( another democratic type of place hehe )

There is a right way to compare apps, and then there is simply claiming... sure you put up a pic... but... no comparisons were made illustrating results from two or more apps, both for showing the nice results vs the nastier , or demonstrating how said app carries you through the workflow.... in other words, what truly makes this app worthy of such claims... which in them selves thus prompted the debates, as in apposed to further discussing the merits of the app, which as stated, were not provided...

as for the forum comparison... or the retirement of a member or what have ya... well, it's a big free world out there eh... as long as everyone is happy in what they do...

as for posting works for the personal satisfaction... well... don't get me going on this one... what the bejumping jimminies do you think many are here for? To show off talents, to share tips and tricks, to shoot the breaze... whatever the days brings about...

I am going to stop right here

[dalel]

I got carried away. Those were my opinions of the GIMP, based on my frustrations trying it out. OK, I was too negative without being very constructive. Oops!

Its free, so give it a try if you like! If you like doing most actions by selecting menu items you'll love it!

Constructive criticism - The Gimp would be hugely more attractive without that crazy menu system. According to sources I have read, the programmer of the Gimp refuses to change the interface to one that is more user-friendly. I would love to see the interface improved and would try it again if that happened.

I don't believe that TG is any more negative than it used to be. I feel that the most positive aspect of TG is in its members willingness to help others, which has not changed at all IMO. Though a few posts here and there ARE negative, I believe that some members tend to take posts personally or negatively when those posts were not intended that way.

A good example, Gidgit's posts on this thread. What venom? What negativity? I don't see any of that in Gidgits's posts.

My two cents.

I am out of this thread too. We don't need flamewars or hard feelings over an app! More power to those who use Gimp!


Why, I’m afraid I can’t explain myself, sir, because I’m not myself, you know...
- Lewis Carroll

[Gary David Bouton]

Dale...

After I qualified my opinion, I took the time to validate my opinions by actually creating and posting some image editing in Gimp, and actually wrote a couple of private eMails to folks in apology for being "hard" and "opinionated", you get right in here and tell everyone that Da Gimp "sucks".

Okay, fine.

I haven't the faintest idea what this forum wants anymore. We debate things instead of discussing them, we post images but I don't see people taking an equal amnount of time to post tutorials, and I feel that a lot of times posts are made for the sheer pleasure of self-recognition, mostly couched in negative material. You know, Ivan resigned from the XARA forum because of the negativity and in-fighting? I think he's a gem and am sorry to see someone go that way. It's mostly an issue of "attitude" here--the PSG is a very positive forum and I don't see why we can't be here, too.

I'd like to ask everyone if we could possibly think twice and post once? Some positive energy in this forum would build upon itself, you know?


My Best,
Gare

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