I am confused about what I own/.? bought v14 thru Magix>? then ProX v17 direct?

[handrawn]

the issue really is that a lot of people, I am tempted to say most but that might be hyperbole, do not read what it is they are signing up for

yes I too have sympathy with threedragon and others, but it is a lesson there that has to be learned

what xara/magix could do, as some other companies do, is make sure you cannot press the accept button until you have at least accessed the link and scrolled down to the bottom - they still cannot make you read it, but at least then they have covered themselves from users who are unfamiliar with the way these things work coming back and saying they were unaware of this

[Boy]

yes I too have sympathy with threedragon and others, but it is a lesson there that has to be learned

A little compassion in such a situation goes a long way, hd; harsh words are not necessary, as TheeeDragon's experience of not getting what he expected is already the lesson. Perhaps later he'll discover that when reinstalling the program it will be an older(buggier) version than he is using now. Are we going to lecture him again? What about Xara/Magix being a bit clearer?

[handrawn]

the words are not harsh, they are matter of fact;

and did I not cover the way in which I thought Xara/Magix could be clearer ?

[iamtheblues]

No harshness that I can detect in Handrawn's post. The harshness (if indeed there is any) is in magiXara's attitude towards its customers.
And if it is of any consolation to Theeedragon, in my opinion, the online catalogue is no great shakes.
I downloaded it some time ago, wasn't impressed and deleted it. Perhaps I'm in a minority, here...

[TheeeDragon]

for the record (ie just MY thoughts)
1. No one was harsh (well maybe a teenie bit at times)
2. been buying software since the 70's (yes - Pre-PC) (duh, yes - I am 70)
3. for 20 years, I read every word of every license I fetched (bought)
4. got to pretty redundant after a while
5. re: subscription models, I may have been 1 of the first to sell them?
who really knows for sure - but it was $10 per month with $5 per month going back to the agent that sold it
(often churches/schools) as an incentive for them to push the product - but the cost was CLEAR - pay every month or access stops
6. Subscription models are now all the rage - *smart on part of seller - make WAY MORE PROFITS
(especially with people like me that wait years before upgrading - as my motto was (is) if the software does what I needed it to do
why but new versions??? (only did so if some newer feature was offered that I deemed the value)

As has become clear from my comments (gripe with MAGIX ie not XARA directly) was the subterfuge (IMHO)
I have not seen (not saying does not exist) that you can buy a product that has PARTS of it expire
sure - many programs have different models and you get what you pay for - but the model differences are clearly noted in the website

with ref to this topic being around for 'years'
guess also proves my point (not that I am trying to prove anything - just venting)

in summary
thanks to all for replies to my query
as always, VERY informative
and posters are very generous with their time to explain things to me

BTW
I have tried at least 30 web developing programs since early 90's
(I made my first few sites by hand-coding every HTML character in the entire page)
and beta for a few
other than NetObjects *which became my favorite (sadly ZERO corporate support after a while)
XARA is by FAR the BEST I have ever found
sure some parts remain confusing (to me) and is not really responsive
but wow - great program -
made even more great by the gents (oops - and gals) in this forum

again
MANY MANY THANKS

[handrawn]

you are most welcome

that is a venerable history...