I wish I had 1% of this mans talent!

[handrawn]

Art or art? Individual styles???

ok - but this thread is about an Artist with a capital A - forgive me for being 'elitist' but you got it or you haven't - wasn't that the point of the thread

Norman had a wonderful technique for drawing cars; yes it is a pity

[Egg Bramhill]

ok - but this thread is about an Artist with a capital A

No it's about talent, nothing to do with capitalisation or elitism, having it or not, etc.

[handrawn]

talent is something you have or have not right ? aka aptitude

[the remark about elitism was ironic and self-deprecating ]

[Egg Bramhill]

talent is something you have or have not right

No, I don't think so HD, it's something you have in degrees, it's not something that's present or absent.

[pauland]

talent is something you have or have not right ? aka aptitude

Absolutely not. You can learn to do a lot of things. You can absolutely learn to draw and sketch.

You may never be the next Mondrian or Picasso but that doesn't matter.

[handrawn]

back to humpty dumpty..

[handrawn]

Absolutely not. You can learn to do a lot of things. You can absolutely learn to draw and sketch.

You may never be the next Mondrian or Picasso but that doesn't matter.

yes but that is acquiring and improving on the ability to do something, during which you may or may not discover you have talent

[pauland]

yes but that is acquiring and improving on the ability to do something, during which you may or may not discover you have talent

EVERYBODY has an ability to draw/paint/sculpt to one degree or another. Everybody has that capability to a more or lesser degree and what you describe as talent is not some binary situation.

Discovering you have no talent is akin to giving up and people reading this misguided notion that people can't make art without god-given talent may just give up before they start.

I disagree with your notion that you have to have inbuilt talent to make art. Not everyone is going to become Ricasso or Rembrandt but that still not a reason not to enjoy art and for that art to be able to give pleasure to others.

There are very many amateur artists making work that I find more pleasing to the eye than some lauded famous works.

There is huge value in making art that the individual can enjoy making and others can enjoy viewing or experiencing without having the mental leaps or mental issues exhibited by Munch or Van Goch.

We can agree to disagree and you can continue to tell people they can't enjoy art and have success with art if they have no talent and I will encourage ANYONE to take up art and enjoy it knowing that many people who believed they are unable to draw/paint/sculpt can continue to have success with it on a personal and sometimes commercial and critical level.

[pauland]

Here's a bit more encouragement to get that 1% of talent and beyond..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Igiq58inw

In case anyone wonders, I have no commercial relationship with these people.

[handrawn]

you can continue to tell people they can't enjoy art and have success with art if they have no talent and I will encourage ANYONE to take up art and enjoy it knowing that many people who believed they are unable to draw/paint/sculpt can continue to have success with it on a personal and sometimes commercial and critical level.

I did not say that Paul; I never said you cannot enjoy art at any level; nor did set out to discourage anyone

what I did was make an argument for there being degrees of ability, and that some of the higher degrees are going to require talent, and the accepted definition of talent is as I gave from the dictionary quotes earlier

if you don't accept that, I have no problem, but I know that nature gives different people different levels of ability in many different ways

I am sorry if you feel I was getting at anyone...