The "Show Xara your appreciation" thread

**Acorn** · 22 June 2013, 08:20 PM

I've been with them since ArtWorks, Impression and earlier with WordWise on the BBC micros.

It is not nostalgia, but if Xara could be ported back into RISC OS, it would be a marketing coup to bundle a free Raspberry Pi to host Xara; sales would rocket.
Pipedream over.

On a more mundane note can we have better product naming in future?
I would love to see a full family tree from WordWise through Impression and ArtWorks through XDPX, and where they married.
A dynasty in the making.

Acorm

**Michael** · 23 June 2013, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Acorn

can we have better product naming in future?

What about "Camelot"? ("Help, help we're held hostage...")

**wizard509** · 23 June 2013, 07:51 PM

What can I say that has not already been said. I love the products. I started out with Xara ScreenMaker and Webster, then moved to X3D, then on to the Xtreme line. For me at least it has been a wild ride and I have enjoyed it and learned a few things along the way. I rarely if ever use anything else. Granted I am using it as a hobbyist but it fills all my needs. So Thank You Xara and TalkGraphics for many years of fun and enjoyment.

**SignPig** · 24 June 2013, 09:17 AM

DITTO. I have been using Xara on a daily basis since the beta release of Studio. I have most of the other contenders but Xara is my program of choice. It is powerful, fast and easy very user friendly.

**Know1** · 12 July 2013, 01:15 PM

Ah karma, it seems we meet again.

Now that Adobe has changed the playing field for every graphics company out there, I figured other companies would use that to their advantage, instead of taking advantage of their customer base... Guess I was wrong (or just very naive).

Xara's upgrade policy is now only beneficial for customers who are ONE version behind.

If you are going to release a new version every year regardless of what's actually in the new upgrade, you should really allow users to skip a version without penalizing them with higher upgrade costs. But if so many people are willing to accept Adobe/Quark/Autodesk's bullshit, I guess this change for Magix/Xara doesn't seem like a big deal to most users.

I for one am not amused with this new development.

**haakoo** · 12 July 2013, 01:44 PM

Money makes the world go round,...............

Hans

**Grenou** · 12 July 2013, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Know1

Ah karma, it seems we meet again.

Now that Adobe has changed the playing field for every graphics company out there, I figured other companies would use that to their advantage, instead of taking advantage of their customer base... Guess I was wrong (or just very naive).

Xara's upgrade policy is now only beneficial for customers who are ONE version behind.

If you are going to release a new version every year regardless of what's actually in the new upgrade, you should really allow users to skip a version without penalizing them with higher upgrade costs. But if so many people are willing to accept Adobe/Quark/Autodesk's bullshit, I guess this change for Magix/Xara doesn't seem like a big deal to most users.

I for one am not amused with this new development.

Nou nou, zo erg is het ook niet, Xara is niet duur en zeker niet vergeleken met Adobe :-)

The short translation in case you don't speak Dutch but only live there: Xara is not expensive, especially not compared to the unmentionable (in my book) Mudhut company who are just plain greedy and far too full of themselves.

I was introduced to XaraX by a friend, immediately bought it and have never regretted it for one second.
More power to Xara's elbows. They are a great gaggle of talented people, long may they reign.
Well done and thanks for years of fun :-)

Grenou

**gwpriester** · 12 July 2013, 02:27 PM

The mud hut people.

I should point out the original adobe also contained cow and horse excrement.

**Know1** · 12 July 2013, 03:25 PM

Ja ik spreek Nederlands.

Don't get me wrong, I've had years of fun with Xara as well, still do, and will continue to use Xara Designer for a long long time as far as I'm concerned. That will not change.

I've had years of fun with Photoshop as well, and still do (with CS 5.1). Doesn't mean I have to accept it when things get worse, or won't complain about it. Adobe has lost me as a customer, I don't care what features they add, their behavior is unacceptable. Once we agree to new terms/licenses/policies that are worse for us we are stuck with them, they are not going to get better because we have proven that we are ok with them and accept them.

Next year the list of older versions you can upgrade from might shorten, or we will accept that it is OK to have always-on-DRM installed, or being forced to use a dongle, or having some Cloud based features you have to pay for in order to use the software. Before you know it you find yourself rationalizing that a subscription model isn't such a bad deal after all. This is a bit of a stretch at the moment... but Xara has never as far as I know changed this policy until now. It takes just small steps at a time, this just feels like step 1 in Magix plan for Xara's future. "Let's see if we can get away with it and try some more next year."

Compared to what Mudhut is doing almost every software company out there is doing a good job. So Relatively this change in upgrade policy is not so bad if we compare it to them. However, this also works the other way around. Let's take Zbrush as an example, or the Topazlabs plugins, or FL Studio.

I see software companies advertising that with them you still get a perpetual license version, which is basically saying nothing has changed. What they don't advertise is that their policies ARE now worse than what they offered before. Adobe is letting everyone else out there know it is OK to squeeze more out of customers while giving them less in return. This is not giving me a reason to upgrade just for the sake of supporting Xara, it works both ways.