so Felix took off? that explains the felix, hector and emu thing in the forum list. the list, these few days, has been very slow. but this is probably due to the abscence of athena and the odd issues with access problems to the forums. also this whole painter forum is only about a month or so old and poorly promoted. the i/us homepage should have more obvious attention made of the forum than it presently does. as it is there are not many sites of this sort that are in any way promoting painter at all. ironically, painter is supposed to be a 'Mac' based software but attempt to find a Mac oriented site that even mentions painter's existence! it's very rare. and now with Corel behind the helm expect even less. just give this forum a little more time an d it'll find it's way, besides, athena is a unique moderator who's fascinating to read.

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