Ok I will try that next. Thanks. How do I ensure that the page is the right size for the form to fit and still leave the header stuff on the bottom where it should be? Is it just a matter of messing around with it til it looks right in the preview? I mean do I have to make the placeholder object central or something so the form doesnt just appear at the top of the page and cover the text there? <I've uninstalled xara and am defragmenting the hard drive before reinstalling again so can't get on it right now> Im hoping that will help with the constant memory low and out of memory messages