Please please help re Xara Web Designer 6 and Deleting Browsing History

**Glennn** · 14 February 2011, 01:50 PM

the other thing i want to ask is: must this no cache rectangle be in all the pages of the website, or does it only need just the one in the home (index) page? Thanks

**jeb** · 14 February 2011, 02:14 PM

I have had the same problem - just did not know that others viewing the site had the same problem and would have to "refresh" the page as I do.

I'll be honest with you - this is totally ridicules. I have NEVER had this problem with any other web site I go to so why does Xara not do automatically what it would appear other design programs are doing?

This, other "bugs - problems" and a comment I read a while back that, "Xara does not play well with others" or something like that does not give on a warm and fuzzy feeling about actually using this program to design a web site. - jb

**Glennn** · 14 February 2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeb

I have had the same problem - just did not know that others viewing the site had the same problem and would have to "refresh" the page as I do.

I'll be honest with you - this is totally ridicules. I have NEVER had this problem with any other web site I go to so why does Xara not do automatically what it would appear other design programs are doing?

This, other "bugs - problems" and a comment I read a while back that, "Xara does not play well with others" or something like that does not give on a warm and fuzzy feeling about actually using this program to design a web site. - jb

Thanks for the message Jeb, did you ever get the problem sorted? www.gleNNscheun.com

**jeb** · 14 February 2011, 04:48 PM

No - I did not realize that others were having the same problem so made no effort to try to solve it. I don't even know where to start but since I only have this problem on my Xara site, it is obviously something other design programs have found a way to solve and do it behind the site itself. Come on, Xara - fix this problem. - jb

**pauland** · 14 February 2011, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by jeb

I have NEVER had this problem with any other web site I go to so why does Xara not do automatically what it would appear other design programs are doing?

The other programs don't do any more or less than Xara. The differrence is that Xara makes it easy for you to layout your pages and takes control of all the hassle to do with graphic images. Because it takes control and may resize or process these for you, it numbers them. When you change a layout or one or more images, the numbering of the images may change. If you make wholesale changes then your website conent for image "99.png" may be changing and if the web page is in the users cache the page will look muddled.

The other web design programs make you do all the work and small changes don't result in changing the graphics names or images.

This problem was mentioned in post #2 on this thread and the OP has taken some time to catch on.

I don't know of any web design software that automatically refreshes the users cache on every visit - it's bad for performance. Most web developers don't keep altering the site many times per day.

You can blame Xara for the problem, but it has nothing to do with a bug in their software. It would probably be better if they supplied an option to always refresh the page, but it really shouldn't be used as a default behaviour.

This, other "bugs - problems" and a comment I read a while back that, "Xara does not play well with others" or something like that does not give on a warm and fuzzy feeling about actually using this program to design a web site. - jb

I made the comment about Xara not playing well with others. Web developers need to realise that Xara hides a lot of complication from them. Other programs give you complete freedom and you need the skill and knowledge of the underlying technology to use them.

I'm not really aware of bugs in Xaras web generation, only misunderstanding and assumptions made by those who don't really understand the underlying technology but want to go beyond the standard facilities offered by the software.

Keep to what the software does well and you can have a warm and fuzzy feeling. Try using it like it's Dreamweaver, then expect difficullties.

**pauland** · 14 February 2011, 05:08 PM

http://www.talkgraphics.com/showthre...973#post392973

**Glennn** · 14 February 2011, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by pauland

The other programs don't do any more or less than Xara. The differrence is that Xara makes it easy for you to layout your pages and takes control of all the hassle to do with graphic images. Because it takes control and may resize or process these for you, it numbers them. When you change a layout or one or more images, the numbering of the images may change. If you make wholesale changes then your website conent for image "99.png" may be changing and if the web page is in the users cache the page will look muddled.

The other web design programs make you do all the work and small changes don't result in changing the graphics names or images.

This problem was mentioned in post #2 on this thread and the OP has taken some time to catch on.

I don't know of any web design software that automatically refreshes the users cache on every visit - it's bad for performance. Most web developers don't keep altering the site many times per day.

You can blame Xara for the problem, but it has nothing to do with a bug in their software. It would probably be better if they supplied an option to always refresh the page, but it really shouldn't be used as a default behaviour.

I made the comment about Xara not playing well with others. Web developers need to realise that Xara hides a lot of complication from them. Other programs give you complete freedom and you need the skill and knowledge of the underlying technology to use them.

I'm not really aware of bugs in Xaras web generation, only misunderstanding and assumptions made by those who don't really understand the underlying technology but want to go beyond the standard facilities offered by the software.

Keep to what the software does well and you can have a warm and fuzzy feeling. Try using it like it's Dreamweaver, then expect difficullties.

Pauland. It doesnt help. All the writings and all the explaining and all said this far:
And now I WILL USE CAPS:
I bought a program to design websites and put them on the internet.
BUT IT IS ABSOLUTRELY NO GOOD IF THE SITE I SIT AND LOOK AT, LOOKS PERFECT, AND THE SITE THAT OTHERS ARE VIEWING, FOR NO MATTER WHAT REASON, page number changes, whatever one can come up with ... lack of no-cache coding ....whatever .... IT IS USELESS IF THE user can't see the site properly.
I'm upset now yes because its just talk talk talk ... but the facts are, that I can't get a website to display properly on sumone elses computer. And i am not the only one. I have always sung XARA's praises, that is why i bought Xara, and only Xara, but in this case the facts speak for themselves, There IS a PROBLEM, if not to call it a bug, then call it whatever one wants, but we/us, who are experiencing this, are disappointed, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY WEBSITE ANYWHERE IN THIS UNIVERSE OR BEYOND, where one has to "refresh" before one can look at page. It IS ridiculous, as the previous poster has said. AND YOU KNOW WHAT PAULAND, YOU SAY i mustnt use CAPS, becasue you CAN understand, but my CAPS are there becasue i am frustrated BECAUSE people don't listen. It's great to come up with reasoning, all i bl**dy ask for, is for an ANSWER to this, THERE IS A PROBLEM .... YES, ramblings by me, of literally pages and pages, but STILL NO ANSWER. If i had gotten an answer after the first writing i wrote, it wouldnt be necessary to write after that, would it? No. The closest i have to an answer to this corrupt viewing, was by byorn, and i have followed his instructions. But no matter how user friendly Xara is, if it doesnt sort this out, then it is useless .... I'd like to have a chat with their developers. And you know what, i think I will. I paid good money for this program, and i expect it to work. No offence Pauland. Take care.

**pauland** · 14 February 2011, 05:51 PM

Glenn, if the problem were as BIG as YOU suggest nobody would use the software.

Post #14 was quite explicit and really solved your problem as you have acknowledged, so "STILL NO ANSWER"? I think not.

Nobody is calling themselves experts.

CAPS IS JUST BAD MANNERS, or just plain PATRONISING.

Good luck Glenn.

**bjornkn** · 14 February 2011, 07:50 PM

There's another <meta> tag you might try too:
<META HTTP-EQUIV="expires" CONTENT="0">
It may or may not work, depending on the browser?
It tells the browser to check if there is a newer version available than the one in the cache, and then is supposed to load the new one.

I just looked at your page again and found that it was scrambled. What happened was that the main picture was moved to the first menu button.
A simple refresh/F5 fixed the problem, and that is really the preferred/common way to fix such problems.
You may tell Xara to give the main image a specific name, by adding a name to it, like 'filename="main_image"'
Then it will not be renumbered and mixed up with the other exported images even if you rearrange/edit your site.
BTW, I have never had such problems when changing things. Every time I've uploaded some changes of course I need to F5/refresh to see the changes.
I have never gotten any images moving around into buttons etc, even though I usually don't add filenames to my images, but let Xara choose a number.
And when visitors come to the page for the first time they will see it correctly anyway. I think most browsers by default flushes their cache when closed?
Using those meta tags may cause all your pages to reload every time, even when going back and forth between them. That may be more of a nuisance than appearing scrambled now and then (after an update).

**Glennn** · 14 February 2011, 08:09 PM

Thank you so much Bjornkn, i really appreciate all your help to help me. Thank you so much.
So you saw now what it does ... the scrambling i mean, but the wierd thing is, pressing F5 on my side doesnt fix it for me. The only thing that fixes it is to delete the browsing history.
Bjornkn, the only thing i have left to ask is this: why, of every website that i have ever visited, be it google, or any website, i have NEVER had this problem before with any website, i have never in 5years pressed the F5 button, or even had to press it .... but now, it seems, i have to tell every client of mine to use f5. It is just crazy. Ive never had to use f5 for any website, but mine so far CANNOT be used without f5, or deleting browsing history. Im using internet explorer 8, and the browsing history/cache, on exit, does not seem to be cleared. There may very well be a place where one can set that, but even if there is, that doesnt solve my problem for the other people in the world who are viewing my site. I am very disheartened and sad that still this issue is not resolved. It is so embarressing for me, for people to log onto my website and see a scrambled picture ... there are many out there who dont know about F5 or even about deleting a browsing history ... i will try the other code you suggest ... thank you so much for your help. Thank you thank you. gleNN