Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

**ss-kalm** · 16 June 2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by JokeArtist

....If all the nodes are not smooth / nice / right because you can't get it perfect then you'll spot the mistakes because Xara's node editting is not perfect....

I believe that Xara's node editing was corrected in version 4. I also believe that because it didn't have any new vector tools, you didn't bother to upgrade.

You can't have it both ways JA - you can't not upgrade and then moan that your tools don't work properly.

If I have the wrong end of the stick here I apologise.

**JokeArtist** · 16 June 2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by ss-kalm

I believe that Xara's node editing was corrected in version 4.

I download the trial of all the different versions just to have a play ... there wasn't any changes of node editing in there ... such as symmetry snap tools. So you stand corrected.

As soon there is a difference then I will upgrade have no fear ... as I said ... I would be prepared to pay big style for new vector tools.

**handrawn** · 16 June 2009, 12:47 PM

what node editing imperfections were you referring too then - I would like to know - forewarned is forearmed as they say

**ss-kalm** · 16 June 2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by JokeArtist

I download the trial of all the different versions just to have a play ... there wasn't any changes of node editing in there ... such as symmetry snap tools. So you stand corrected.

As soon there is a difference then I will upgrade have no fear ... as I said ... I would be prepared to pay big style for new vector tools.

JA, you were complaining about node editing, not working, not having new tools. I re-iterate - the errors in the node editing where you complain "because you can't get it perfect then you'll spot the mistakes because Xara's node editting is not perfect", was corrected in version 4.

**JokeArtist** · 16 June 2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by ss-kalm

JA, you were complaining about node editing, not working, not having new tools. I re-iterate - the errors in the node editing where you complain "because you can't get it perfect then you'll spot the mistakes because Xara's node editting is not perfect", was corrected in version 4.

So can Xara do this in version 4 then? No it can't. That's what I mean about unprofessional node editting and having to do it by site alone.

**handrawn** · 16 June 2009, 04:47 PM

ok - but even I can see that is not a question of xtreme being inaccurate, rather of the tool not doing what you would like it to

these are not the same thing

**RTK** · 16 June 2009, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by handrawn

ok - but even I can see that is not a question of xtreme being inaccurate, rather of the tool not doing what you would like it to

these are not the same thing

No matter what you call it or what you choose to see... You could draw more accurately with Xara if James' suggested, node editing (vector enhancement) was available. As for for curved-line segments become straight ones when performing path operations, this was finally fixed in X4.

Risto

**JokeArtist** · 16 June 2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by handrawn

ok - but even I can see that is not a question of xtreme being inaccurate, rather of the tool not doing what you would like it to

these are not the same thing

I didn't say it gave inaccurate results ... only by the hand and the eye of the user when there should be away to take away such inaccuracies as it's vital for hires professional jobs.

And it's such a simple thing as well ... totally simple ... as I said before I don't think that there are any developers left at Xara Ltd that actually understand the inner workings of the programme to make such simple changes ... it seems like all superficial work that goes on ... either adding a new extension here or a conservatory there. But no changes to the underlying structure of the vector engine (i.e. the wiring and plumbing of the house) or additional improvements to make it a better drawing tool.

**lutz** · 16 June 2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by JokeArtist

... as I said before I don't think that there are any developers left at Xara Ltd that actually understand the inner workings of the programme to make such simple changes ... it seems like all superficial work that goes on ...

These were indeed my thoughts , too. Not that the website building is not a great asset, but the complete absence of any vector tool improvements for years make it seem like the relevant knowledge has been forgotten or most likely lost (the capable personal).