i agree with knowing when to use flash and when not too, i've seen flash sites that are well over the top where flash designers have added every bell and whistle going not for the benifit of the site but just becasue they can, silly really it kills a site (well for me it does anyway, like over complicated navogation does)

The problem i have is that the client wants a full flash site and thats what he's got and believe me architects are a tough nut to crack when they know what the want.

As a work around Ive seen a web site design company hide the text in their splash screen to get it found,as i'm sure you people already know and i did read somewhere (think it was a book i have) that it isnt best practise

Anyway thanks for all the replys, and och i Albacore fro a soft southerner

Manny2K