o.k. I tried the "select using cursor and shift" and see what you are talking about. I can now make the "A" in the word CAT do one thing while the "C" and "T" do something else...

but...how to get an image from XaraX with two shapes right on top of each other...one is a ring, the other is a building outline that goes INSIDE the ring...the only way I have seen so far it to import them and adjust the kerning so that they line up??

Robert