Thanks for the feedback Gary, it's a fascinating subject reflections and shadows and I expect get lost, in but it's good to know what's needed for a particular image one might create instead of the usual black blob we(I) settle for. Hope there's more mini tuts. like this one, they are great for concentrating on and learning, better than evening classes at the local College. I have a couple of friends who attend at the college doing such a course for graphics. I was showing them some of my work and Zone videos, particular what I had learned from the Zone, they were blown away by the standard of the work and expertise given and extremely impressed by Xara, I think I might have converted a couple of guys over from you know who!

Stygg.