The pic Sledger posted is another rub by John Henry and is one we will be having him private label. The fonts are the same. I asked the label company that prints his labels but either they will not give up the info or don't know either because the one they gave me to use wasn't even close. John Henry wasn't able to provide any assistance either. Thanks for all the help from all of you, I really appreciate it. I will post a copy of the label when I am done. I don't really like them but I'm not paying for them either.