Yea, for me it was just fun to play around with, you know, see if anything was dif from expression3, to which, I really am not all that friendly with it (e3) either.. I mean I know of the various options etc, having played around some, but yea, just not perhaps what I require on a daily basis... but, non the less... some power there for those determined enough to make use of such... E3 was/is pretty decent for free, and I am sure many truly used it to create some wonderful results... Fun fun fun