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    Default Push Objects.

    Is the 'push objects' not available within a Xara print document (as opposed to a web document)? There is nothing in the Help files to say it isn't, yet on selecting an object by Right Clicking there is no Push option within a print document.

    Secondly, within a web document selecting Push & then Help leads to the colour line help page.

    Can someone kindly confirm this?

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    Default Re: Push Objects.

    AFIK it's a web only feature.

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    Default Re: Push Objects.

    It sure looks that way Gary but the Help file should make this clear which it doesn't at present. Why can't it be made available on a print document? Perhaps it would interfere with the print documents height??

    Can you confirm the Help button leading to the Colour Line help page please?
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    Default Re: Push Objects.

    @Egg +1.

    Help is wrong.

    Prior versions did not have context menu option for Push for Print docs.

    It only works for Web/Presentation. if you switch to Print, it stops.

    I stay in Web documents because of this. I don't see what Print docs offer that is different.

    Push Objects is needed in Print too!

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    Default Re: Push Objects.

    Push Objects is needed in Print too!
    I disagree. A web page is flexible. It can be as short as one screen or it can extend downward indefinitely. Maybe all the way to China.

    A print document is a specific size that cannot be extended beyond the dimensions of the print size.

    Xara does have the ability (I use this when I am producing a book), to add new pages when the page is filled with text. This essentially is a push type feature and maybe the answer to your suggestion.

    Automatically create new page and the tracking adjustments are the two main reasons I swim against the current and use Designer Pro+ to produce books. (That and laziness)

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    Default Re: Push Objects.

    Gary, text extension into a new page is a feature of the fixed sized Text Area. Pushing Objects ensures each never overlaps, it need not affect the page height.

    Off to check.

    Acorn

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    An object that has Push Objects set will extend the page when stretched or dragged onto the bottom.
    For Print, you just lock the page size.
    Last edited by Acorn; 21 September 2022 at 12:34 PM.
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    Default Re: Push Objects.

    Quote Originally Posted by acorn
    I don't see what Print docs offer that is different.
    well if you never make web documents at all, ever, a print document disables a lot of stuff that might just get in the way...


    I mean:

    Pushing Objects ensures each never overlaps
    in a properly designed print file how would that ever occur in the first place ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    well if you never make web documents at all, ever, a print document disables a lot of stuff that might just get in the way...
    handrawn, why should I have to learn what a Print subset of operations offers when I can be more fluid with a the fuller set that web affords?
    Print remove Push and Web Properties yet retains Web Animation & Web Sticky/Stretchy - the Document type does not make the context menu more print orientated.

    There are times that 'Repel text under' (non-left justification) or Embed Object fail and you have to revert to linked Text Areas. Butting these back together without Push leaves a lot of alignment to chance.

    The yellow blob highlights the mess Repel can make: Xara - Full Justify with Repel under.xar.
    Each letter in the words on the right of the blob are rendered as individual letters in Preview.
    In a PDF you get the letters padded with a space:
    Qui in officiaconsectetur nulla eu amet, sit e l i tamet culpa non adipisicingtempor. Reprehenderit autelaboris excepteur lorem veniam mollitin dolore lorem ullamco elitadipisicing commodo consequat i nirure quis. Nostrud excepteurofficia exercitation id? Dolorpariatur sint sed ut!Adipisicing, ut id deserunt nondolore ipsum sed dolor seddolore dolor. Non ad duis anim s e desse ea consequat lorem utaliquip ea irure deserunt fugiat mollitlaboris veniam eiusmod.Exercitation cillum dolore in culpadolore sint cillum mollit, nullaaliqua qui.Eiusmod est consequat lorem e l i tproident incididunt reprehenderit.
    A disaster in my book (or anyone else's).

    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    in a properly designed print file how would that ever occur in the first place ?
    handrawn, I managed 45 technical authors at one time. Our documentation was for print and there was a lot of formatting of text, tables, figures and images against exacting specifications for layout. They and I would have wholeheartedly picked a Push option over hours of reformatting.

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    Default Re: Push Objects

    thank you for that acorn

    you have convinced me to stay with affinity publisher for actual 'documentation' documents because it is designed for such and xara is not

    as for leaflets etc I still see no reason to learn stuff I don't need; I did not aski you to learn a new set of operations, I queried why i should when I don't need them.. and i think the question has been answered...
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    Default Re: Push Objects

    Xara's XDAs have features that other products lack. The trick is to finesse its limitations and know what they are.

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