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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Designer required for jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by drslim2 View Post
    What you charge is irrelevant.
    Dont know why you even bothered to comment if the fee / rate offends you???
    now this is not an attitude that would encourage me to do business with you, either in this regard or if I ever needed your company's services

    you will by and large get what you pay for; maybe you are happy to settle for someone who may drop you at a moments notice, which is what you will probably get for that sort of money

    you said you wanted a skilled user, skill costs money, but that also engenders trust

    my question is, if it is actually that simple, why don't you learn xara and do it yourself - oh you already have I see, fair enough.... but the question is still is it skilled? or is it simple?
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    Default Re: Designer required for jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by ernie-f View Post
    Because I hate that companies that make good money are not willing to compensate good work fairly.
    Not that I have to justify the remuneration to you or anyone else, but this is a very fair rate for the unskilled, easy work involved.
    However, I find your hourly rate exorbitant and we would definitely not hire you as your final fee would be unjustifiable, even for a small creative job.

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    Default Re: Designer required for jobs

    so you want a

    skilled designer pro user
    to do

    unskilled, easy work
    ok at least we now know thanks
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    Default Re: Designer required for jobs

    I don't know anyone who would work for 15 an hour in this business. With overhead, taxes, insurance, phone. If you think 65.00 an hour is high then you've never hired skilled professionals before. 15 an hour is insulting to say the least.

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    Default Re: Designer required for jobs

    I certainly wouldn't be giving up my free time for less than I earn at the office.
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    Default Re: Designer required for jobs

    on the wall in our kitchen hangs a sign that says: the cook accepts tips not advice

    in that spirit here's a tip - don't pay by the hour, pay a fixed fee per completed job: piece work - this how I operate; I don't tell people how long it takes me to do something, they don't ask / tell me their guestimate; it saves arguments; I don't have to explain why it took a couple of hours to draw boris johnson but three days to do mitch mcconnell, and then have grief sorting out what should be paid; all that is needed is a deadline, if I miss it I get nowt [ziltch]
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    Default Re: Designer required for jobs

    I never charge by the hour. I charge by the value I bring to the table. With over 30 years of design experience my rates are high. I have been there done that low balling. I would say possibly some newcomer to xara with no experience who lives in his parents basement and needs beer money can get paid an entry fee. I also do not like how a client dictates how long it should take.

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    Default Re: Designer required for jobs

    i used to work for a gentleman, who gave us work on the side occasionally, as the office was so busy. On these extra projects he said "You get $500 ... I don't care whether it takes 1 hr or 500 hrs. The project is worth $500 to me and that's what I'll pay you.
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    Lightbulb Re: Designer required for jobs

    There is no happy compromise to this.

    I PM'd early on and I declined, gracefully I hope.

    My logic was simple - the rate was too low for the throughput involved.

    $15/h for 1-5 jobs/w (median 3/w) would only realise $20/w and over a full year $1,000. Tax would reduce this to $600. (Simplistic but I might gain a tad on VAT, yet lose on Corporation Tax).
    Dead time would involve email receipt and despatch. I would have to double the rate or my equity is only $300.
    The company would always have a deadline so I would be tied Monday to Friday not knowing. Fallow time would be a 50% hike. Equity is now $200.

    I would have to keep a licensed version of XDPX as I consider myself to be a professional in all my engagements. Annual cost $200. Equity is now zero.

    None of this covers company insurance and other company outgoings.
    Certainly, none of it reflects my Xara Desktop Application experience.
    A minimum offer would have to be $50/job or $85/h plus a XDXP licence to be attractive.

    My next thought was I could probably manage 4 labels and hour.
    This would have to be delivery on a Tuesday for return by a Friday.
    That said, why would I ever give away my graft at $3.75 each?

    As I am probably one of the most experienced XDA specialists there is, modesty aside, I thought that I could probably automate the whole process.
    An Intranet-based Xara Widget (XWR) might fit the bill. My bill might have been around $1,500, giving a ROI of 18 months.

    I hope that Greg offers whoever takes on the work a better set of terms.
    It truly boils down to what is this label's production worth to me, my company and my customer.

    Acorn

    P.S. I have put this up to allow other designers to reassess their worth and potential customers to realise the costs involved.
    I tailor my rates to the circumstance. More often than not, a first-time happy customer is a repeat customer who is more than willing to pay an equitable rate.
    Acorn - installed Xara software: Cloud+/Pro+ and most others back through time (to CC's Artworks). Contact for technical remediation/consultancy for your web designs.
    When we provide assistance, your responses are valuable as they benefit the community. TG Nuggets you might like. Report faults: Xara Cloud+/Pro+/Magix Legacy; Xara KB & Chat

 

 

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