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    Default Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    I read Robs post about Designer Pro +. did I read it right that Xara is going to be making the most updates/frequently to this + version and not Designer Pro? I thought that is why we paid to have this yearly service when we bought this Pro product that we would be getting regular updates through out the year.

    Are these updates to the Plus version also going to come to the regular Pro version? My renewal date is fast approaching and I am really questioning what is going on.

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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    It is fairly simple. Pro+ is totally in Xara's gift so updates can be as frequent and actually have to match the changes in Xara Cloud+.

    The other Xara Desktop applications (XDA) (XDPX, XWD(P) & XP&GD) are packaged by Magix.
    Magix add in all their hooks and take around a fortnight to do so.
    XDAs will be forced into the Update service profile of 3-5 releases in a year with Magix breathing heavily to ensure there is a major version release annually, regardless of merit.

    I have made a personal choice to jump to the Xara Subscription model and lose Magix.
    There is a cost but one I am comfortable with: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...527#post623527.

    In summary, most of the changes in Pro+ will eventually feed down into the XDAs.

    Acorn
    Acorn - installed Xara software: Cloud+/Pro+ and most others back through time (to CC's Artworks). Contact for technical remediation/consultancy for your web designs.
    When we provide assistance, your responses are valuable as they benefit the community. TG Nuggets you might like. Report faults: Xara Cloud+/Pro+/Magix Legacy; Xara KB & Chat
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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Acorn View Post
    It is fairly simple. Pro+ is totally in Xara's gift so updates can be as frequent and actually have to match the changes in Xara Cloud+.

    The other Xara Desktop applications (XDA) (XDPX, XWD(P) & XP&GD) are packaged by Magix.
    Magix add in all their hooks and take around a fortnight to do so.
    XDAs will be forced into the Update service profile of 3-5 releases in a year with Magix breathing heavily to ensure there is a major version release annually, regardless of merit.

    I have made a personal choice to jump to the Xara Subscription model and lose Magix.
    There is a cost but one I am comfortable with: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...527#post623527.

    In summary, most of the changes in Pro+ will eventually feed down into the XDAs.

    Acorn
    Adding to this:

    A new update to Pro+ was already released: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...e-20-0-0-59369
    Another update is in beta test: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...a-Designer-Pro

    We will continue to monitor and understand user reaction/feedback as we move forward.

    Best,
    Matt
    CEO of Xara
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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    Matt,

    How long to think it will be before these updates from Pro + makes it's way into the normal Pro version?

    Ray
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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by RKissane View Post
    Matt,

    How long to think it will be before these updates from Pro + makes it's way into the normal Pro version?

    Ray
    Hi Ray,

    Product release schedules are typically defined at a minimum of 12 months in advance with a strategic partner like Magix. To answer your question directly, not all updates will make it to all products and any changes to the established schedule is still being evaluated. Our focus right now is good, consistent updates for Xara Cloud and Designer Pro+ (and the beta test for 4k support). We've established a consistent product rhythm for Xara Cloud and, based on the positive response to the new Cloud+ offering, our goal is to achieve that with Designer Pro+. Maybe there is a new normal?

    All the best,
    Matt
    CEO of Xara
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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    as in: the subscription only pro+ is now the normal designer pro ?

    'strategic partner' [love the way you put that ] magix is tactically sidelined....
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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by MB365 View Post
    Hi Ray,

    Product release schedules are typically defined at a minimum of 12 months in advance with a strategic partner like Magix. To answer your question directly, not all updates will make it to all products and any changes to the established schedule is still being evaluated. Our focus right now is good, consistent updates for Xara Cloud and Designer Pro+ (and the beta test for 4k support). We've established a consistent product rhythm for Xara Cloud and, based on the positive response to the new Cloud+ offering, our goal is to achieve that with Designer Pro+. Maybe there is a new normal?

    All the best,
    Matt
    CEO of Xara
    Matt, none of the above answered Ray's (and Gary's and others') ask about why would people bother with a second-rate service and stay with Pro or even consider a jump to Pro+ at greater cost if there is not some clarity about what is in it for them? What you actually have just implied is you'll develop Pro+. That might be new but it's not normal.

    Acorn
    Acorn - installed Xara software: Cloud+/Pro+ and most others back through time (to CC's Artworks). Contact for technical remediation/consultancy for your web designs.
    When we provide assistance, your responses are valuable as they benefit the community. TG Nuggets you might like. Report faults: Xara Cloud+/Pro+/Magix Legacy; Xara KB & Chat
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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    To be honest, it sounds like "Don't hold your breath!"
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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    So @Matt ,you're getting back on your promise to have more frequent updates for the xda version? sad!

    Had a go at the online version and designer pro+ version.
    Only the pricing is a dumb business approach;

    From the corona outbreak most vendors decide to lower prices to make self employed and small businesses have some breathing space.
    Could have been a great marketing opportunity here.

    The teams+ version should be from 1 person and up and have an add member subscription attached to it.
    Or add another role like editor(all rights but no admin rights)
    Now you could say"have a go at the normal pro+ version" but this would double the cost if a team consists of two.

    Also why this so called business approach,as if all you have are big agencies with teams of more than 3,they probably are using apps from the mud company.
    But you're nothing like the mud company and have yet to gain some ground(you've got history but no merit) to be a real player in a very crowded field.

    The online editor is actually nothing great other then adding images, change text and color and rearrange stuff.
    With the xda bundled it may work but like said above it's to expensive to start with.
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    Default Re: Designer Pro + vs Designer Pro

    @haakoo
    I'll use this opportunity to update you (and others) on Xara:
    Xara had a Covid-19 Here2Help 50% discount on plans sold directly by us since March. The active promotion of this campaign has stopped this week. Also, the Xara team did an amazing job of creating C-19 flyers and posters that people and businesses could use to educate others. We did our best to give help where we could to organizations in need on the front lines.
    Xara has an offer for existing Desktop users considering the new Cloud+ offerings. 50% discount on year 1. This is still ongoing. For TG, the 50% offer was available from Day 1 of launch. https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...and-Xara-Cloud (If you have an active update service or any questions about pricing for your situation, then feel free to contact us through normal sales channels. There is a direct chat on www.xara.com, and in Xara Cloud and the Pro+ support page for Xara paying customers). We've been happy to be extremely flexible with anyone wanting to cancel or reduce costs due to the crises. (and even businesses that need only 2 users). Just contact us.
    There will be releases of the Desktop versions via Magix. No one from Xara has suggested otherwise.
    As for features and fixes across Pro+ vs the other Desktop versions, roadmaps and build schedules are established many months in advance as I noted above. When working with partners, especially strategic ones like Magix where the products are tightly integrated into the partner's workflow like installation, registration, updating, licensing, etc., these plans do not change 'on a dime'.

    Take care and all the best,
    Matt
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