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    Thumbs down Timings

    Dear Xara...

    I occasionally use my XWD11P application.
    All I can say is it is a joy to use.

    Startup - 5.4 seconds; c.f., XDPXv16.3 - 13.8 seconds!
    File > Page Options - Instant; c.f., XDPXv16.3 - 5.8 seconds!
    Line gallery > Document brushes - 1 second; c.f., XDPXv16.3 - 7.2 seconds.
    Utilities > Options - Instant; c.f., XDPXv16.3 - 6.1 seconds.
    Online Content Catalogue (OCC) - 1.7 seconds; c.f., XDPXv16.3 - 1 second.
    OCC > Delivery van 1 - 1.7 seconds; c.f., XDPXv16.3 - 5.1 seconds.

    Test XWD11P XDPXv16.3 Disappointment
    Factor
    Startup 5.4 13.8 250%
    File > Page Options <<1 5.8 >>580%
    Line gallery > Document brushes 1 7.2 720%
    Utilities > Options <<1 6.1 >>610%
    Online Content Catalogue (OCC) 1.7 1 59%
    OCC > Delivery van 1 1.7 5.1 300%


    Overall, I ought to be disappointed with XDPX's cumulative performance by 112,383% over that of XWDP.
    What I ought to be saying is I can be more productive in 95% of my work using a product that is reaching its fourth Birthday in five days.
    I could simply port back into XDPX and finish off the last 5% there.

    Pundits out there might say the impact is merely additive, so 39 seconds vs. 8.8 seconds, a mere 443% worse.

    I say either statistic is damning.

    Can we please get back to plaudits similar to "With its amazing speed, small size, reasonable system requirements, moderate price and powerful feature set, it's hard to go wrong with Xara Xtreme"?

    Acorn
    Acorn - My currently active Xara software: XDPX (current, v15, v12 & 11 (64-bit)), unserviced XWD Premium 15 & 12, XPGD10, X3D7; lots of licences back through time (to CC's Artworks). If your Post identifies a Xara software fault, please raise it directly with Magix --> support2.magix.com.

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    Default Re: Timings

    If you pop across to https://discordapp.com/channels/6419...38234808729613 Scroll back to my post 15/11. Rob has logged an issue which is causing (me at least) a significant startup delay on both desktops running v16.3. Using Dbgview.exe and Fiddler you can see (at least one of the problems) which is now logged. Beyond me how those responsible for startup processes do not check these things.

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    Default Re: Timings

    My DPX 16.3 takes 30 seconds to load a blank page because of the Adding Colors to Document delay. Rob thinks it is because of the Magix updater. So if this is indeed the case then look for load times to significantly increase the next time WD is updated.
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    Default Re: Timings

    heck, my xdpx15.1 is instant... mind you it is blocked in firewall I don't do web stuff....
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    Default Re: Timings

    I'm going to wear my Xara cheer leading skirt for this one. Using XWDP 16.3 and I only agree with the startup and content catalogue. The others are as close to instant as doesn't matter.

    I don't understand the delivery van, but if you mean searching for one, then, again, I receive results in a timely manner. Also, the catalogue opens quickly after the initial start; which I presume is the check for license and subscription.

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    Default Re: Timings

    I am trying to point out that a "flagship" product that underperforms against XWDPv16.3 (I am using XDPXv16.3) or XDPXv15.1 or my XWD111P (as tested as yardstick) is showing that there are some issues that are not at all helpful and are being allowed to fester.

    The "Deliver van 1" was it being Imported (sorry): basically, the time for an import to just go through the hoops, within the program, has also been extended markedly.

    A case in point is the Brushes. Xara could argue that there are heaps more in the later version(s).
    Yes, the Art Brushes introduce 5.5MB of files; previously, there was a lofty 25.5kB. Any normal person might assume there might be a transformational impact.
    Instead, Xara lefts us wait and we see a lot of flashing churn on the screen.

    Xara abandoned local Searches for material as it was too slow and problematic for it to sort out through the addition of 5.5GB of template and other content. There are web solutions in use but no effort to bridge or integrate the loss.
    This cannot be timed as it is non-existent now.

    Xara seems incapable of scaling.

    Acorn
    Acorn - My currently active Xara software: XDPX (current, v15, v12 & 11 (64-bit)), unserviced XWD Premium 15 & 12, XPGD10, X3D7; lots of licences back through time (to CC's Artworks). If your Post identifies a Xara software fault, please raise it directly with Magix --> support2.magix.com.

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    Default Re: Timings

    FWIW

    my xdpx15.1 start is 3secs, page options takes 1 sec, brushes 2.5 secs, can't test OCC of course... none of this is excessive, but the firewall blocking does help the starup time

    To be honest, I am more concerned about how fast the program is in use, a few seconds here and there when loading things is quite normal for the programs I use - Harmony takes 8 secs to the project screen and another 9 secs to load the UI [new blank project]

    I take the point about the OCC local search
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    Default Re: Timings

    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    FWIW
    my xdpx15.1 start is 3secs, page options takes 1 sec, brushes 2.5 secs, can't test OCC of course... none of this is excessive, but the firewall blocking does help the starup time
    To be honest, I am more concerned about how fast the program is in use, a few seconds here and there when loading things is quite normal for the programs I use - Harmony takes 8 secs to the project screen and another 9 secs to load the UI [new blank project]
    I take the point about the OCC local search
    Some of the timings can be taken as one-offs; some non-modal screens can be kept open if you have the real estate;others fragment creative flow.
    Overall, timings and workflows are being degraded; every pop-up configuration / affirmation dialog impair the original fluidity.

    Acorn
    Acorn - My currently active Xara software: XDPX (current, v15, v12 & 11 (64-bit)), unserviced XWD Premium 15 & 12, XPGD10, X3D7; lots of licences back through time (to CC's Artworks). If your Post identifies a Xara software fault, please raise it directly with Magix --> support2.magix.com.

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    Default Re: Timings

    sure... but this is because the program resembles a small house built with lego that has just been added to, and patched into, in an ad hoc manner... until it has become a sprawl

    it needs rewriting from the ground up - a year ago almost to the day I got into trouble here for implying that xara did not really care about the desktop any more otherwise they would do something about this; they do care, but it seems they lack the resources, and to me that is more worrying in itself that a few seconds here and there

    when I was looking at video editors, one of the things that impressed me about Pinnacle was the integrated and easy to use UI laid out in a logical fashion everything there to hand, as well as the speed of operation [given a video-editing spec computer]

    I looked at [Magix] Vegas [originally sony] and compared to Pinnacle it was the proverbial sow's pinna.... just like xara has become....
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    Default Re: Timings

    There have been unsolved issues with many of the loading times over the years. I've had no issue with the adding colours for a few years now but after a disaster with my PC I've had to buy another until I get the main one fixed. With the new one I have the same adding colours delay as I had way back when.

    However the worst problem that I had was with the Utilities Options. For over two years it took upto 16secs to open this window and low & behold if I accidentally hit the Internet tab. LINK

    Then suddenly on one reinstal it went away and loaded in under a second (on my old now in intensive care PC)
    Egg

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