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    Default extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    sometime if i extend an existing original shape with the pen i get two different results,
    one is with, the other is without the original shape.

    how can i select which outline from existing shape to use?

    pls see picture to understand

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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    Hi RS, I wouldn't expect you to get the shape on the right hand side in you image. It's not something I ever use but in my understanding if the additional line start/end is within less than the original shapes half length it will add the shapes. However if the start/end is more than half the originals shapes length it will subtract the original shape. Problem being with an erratic shape it's not always easy to know the half length so do smaller additions at a time.
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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    Hi,

    it is not because of the larger shape.
    i tried it before and now i tested it again

    ... i just did the pink shape out of the green one.

    i also tested the direction, but could not find any rule. unfortunately.


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    an another example.
    pink outline adds
    green subtracts.

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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    When I tried with the pen tool I get two separate shapes. How do you extend the shape and get it to attach to the orginall shape?

    Ray

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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    first it has to be converted to editable shapes. (no cross in the middle)
    the with the pen tool start at the outline of the shape [~] will be there,
    than paint around and end at the same original shape outline, again [~] will be there.
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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    Hi again Reinhard. Possibly more of an insight, perhaps it relates to node distribution?

    I recall a thread on this issue several years back with guidance from the Xara Devs but I cant find it at present.

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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    Quote Originally Posted by rsrsrs View Post
    extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    sometime if i extend an existing original shape with the pen i get two different results,
    one is with, the other is without the original shape.

    how can i select which outline from existing shape to use?

    pls see picture to understand

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    If I do, as it is in your image, then I always get the larger shape.
    I do not get the smaller shape.

    If I select the same starting point as yours, I have to take the line around over a certain point, before I get the subtractive (cutout) shape.
    Below as certain point, I always get the Additive.

    In the attached image, if I always start at X, all the way to points Y1 to Y4, AND GO IN A CLOCKWISE DIRECTION, I get additive.
    It's not until I get to Y5, that I get subtractive.

    If I go IN AN ANTI-CLOCKWISE DIRECTION, from X to Y5, I get additive,
    From X to Y4 and further, I get subtractive.

    Interesting, eh?!
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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    not done any of this for a long time - it is also possible to create a single shape that has both an internal and external outline as shown here:

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    by combining the subtractive shape with a paste in place copy of the original

    I don't recall any hard and fast rule for this behaviour....
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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    Seems to be one of the last mysteries of Xara.
    ;-)
    solution would be xara does highlight the path that stays,
    and with [shift] switching it.

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    Default Re: extend a shape with pen, adding with or without original shape?

    That's really interesting Rik,

    I think may also be due to the percentage of the original object, for example if it's more than 40% of the size you get the other result.

    Over time the warp tool has become a favorite of mine to tweak shapes.

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