Want to thank each of you but especially egg, it is working fine now, I need to make some minor changes, but now understand. Now that I know Place holders I can think of many places I will be able to use them. Once again thanks!!!!!! Got one more question though says next to my name (No PMs) is that because I am a new member? Just wondering as I probably would have PMed Egg a special thanks as I have used Xara for a while now and never knew about the Place holder and thanks to him there is a whole new dimension for me.