I thought flash died

**wizard509** · 09 May 2019, 01:17 AM

If I am not mistaken which I may be, the problem with flash is flash does not play on mobile phones. That's why if there ia any doubt I would do a gif animation, but then it's difficult to get a smooth animation without increasing the file size, so that is where css comes in.

**Egg Bramhill** · 10 May 2019, 05:52 PM

Flash player is still available for Windows. Current version 32.0. It was mainly sidelined once Apple refused to port it to their mobiles. It did work on Android devices, and still does as far as I'm aware.

Gif's are a poor substitute. I now use Hippani Animator 5 for basic HTML5 animations and recently purchased Saola Animate which is far more advanced than Hippani and a bit of a learning curve.

**TwoEdgedSword** · 10 May 2019, 11:38 PM

Flash was ditched because it had become a security risk.
HTML5 is/was supposed to take care of the need for flash.

I'm still waiting for everything to be sorted.

**pauland** · 12 May 2019, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by TwoEdgedSword

Flash was ditched because it had become a security risk.

Well, for a ditched product, it's still alive and freely available.

HTML5 is/was supposed to take care of the need for flash.

It doesn't come close to the capabilities of flash.

I'm still waiting for everything to be sorted.

That is a lifelong wait.

**handrawn** · 12 May 2019, 06:20 PM

guys guys...... lets get real..

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/...-flash-gordon/

**TwoEdgedSword** · 13 May 2019, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by pauland

Well, for a ditched product, it's still alive and freely available.

It doesn't come close to the capabilities of flash.

That is a lifelong wait.

So are Atari and Commodore 64 games.
HTML5 is still being defined.
Perhaps you don't plan on living much longer.

In many ways HTML5 is better.
Flash is still a security problem.
Use at your own risk, ymmv.

I liked flash quite a bit.
Was sorry to see it go.

**pauland** · 13 May 2019, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by TwoEdgedSword

So are Atari and Commodore 64 games.

?

HTML5 is still being defined.

Yes, it's only been a few years now..

Perhaps you don't plan on living much longer.

Not exactly my plan, but maybe you have some insight with the grim reaper.

In many ways HTML5 is better.

Yes, but in many ways it's totally inferior to Flash.

Flash is still a security problem.

And we can all be glad that everything else is super secure. I don't think.

Use at your own risk, ymmv.

I don't really because the demise of Flash as a browser renderer (which is what it is) is more about software politics than technical issues and Flash was dead when Jobs protected the appstore from the sophisticated applications that Flash was capable of.

I liked flash quite a bit.

Me too.

Was sorry to see it go.

It's not quite dead yet. It's still used for cross-platform development building app for IOS, Android, PC and Mac. I have developed a few apps on IOS and Android. I have a few bespoke flash-based game apps running in specialist venues with large projection screens ( think in tens of feet ), controlled by touch.

I'm not championing Flash but I don't like it being kicked even if it's down.

I have a feeling I haven't yet made my last Flash app..

**Egg Bramhill** · 13 May 2019, 11:46 PM

I like your reply Paul

**handrawn** · 14 May 2019, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by pauland

And we can all be glad that everything else is super secure. I don't think.

you can say that again...

I don't really because the demise of Flash as a browser renderer (which is what it is) is more about software politics than technical issues and Flash was dead when Jobs protected the appstore from the sophisticated applications that Flash was capable of.

apple did a similar thing to wnidows users when it pulled supprt for windows quicktime - I have to have quicktime installed if I want ToonBoom to import/export, render on the hoof in an unrestricted manner, but I would rather not....