Xara Xhris' Great Videos --- Xara Love

[csehz]

I'd go as far as to say it's poisoning our TalkGraphics forum.

Very true.

Xara Designer Pro is a brilliant software as it is in one. But the 365 model? Having no idea for what I extended for, probably supporting the company to develop the online designer.. Where again having no idea when would use that ever. Maybe if someone has a web page, then can change something from the workplace, no need to go home to the personal computer?

For me the conclusion is clear, the Xara Designer Pro is so good that the developers have no real dare to change in depth anymore. Presumably technically it is a complex task with the risk mixing of the code behind, plus the developer team probably is also a small one. Plus the management is just hopeless, jumping as Magix orders

[browj2]

I look at this the other way around. When I first upgraded to 365 or V12, it was because of the features that were offered at that time. I had V11 and V12 had improvements (ok, everything is relative - I wanted the Magix Video Pro X/Movie Edit Pro - Xara interface fixed and it was) that I was looking for, so I bought it. It was nice to also receive improvements as they came along, knowing full well that I hadn't paid for them yet and that if I wanted to keep them permanently, I would eventually have to pay. I looked at the option of paying before vs paying after the renewal date and decided that the interim updates were more or less sufficient to merit renewal. Having a web domain from Xara included also helped make this decision. This is the same process as happened before - if you like the improvements, upgrade, if not, wait a year. And, I will go through the same process in a year.

For those who did not jump into V12 and are still at V11, please don't complain that the features that came out in the last year are not worth upgrading to the current version without also looking at the initial new features between V11 and V12 when V12 first came out. You are now 2 years or 2 versions later, not one, and future unknown upgrades don't count. The decision to upgrade or renew should always be based on the current status, not what might come out in the future.

Maybe Magix/Xara should have simply said that you are getting the current version (and all updates/upgrades) to the date of payment, and we are giving you a free trial of future upgrades over the next year, yours to keep if you don't have to reinstall, yours to keep permanently if you upgrade (renew) in a year. After all, no one seems to complain when a trial version runs out.

Finally, I have to agree that the renewal/upgrade price is steep. This is annoying with all software as it seems that the renewal is never worth the price of the new features. And worst of all, new users can jump in by paying marginally more than the upgrade price. Definitely not fair.........oops, that's how they got me.

John

[tonylondon]

You have it exactly right John.
365 is not poisoning this forum, it is the negativity and repetition of some of the complaints about it that is.

[jmanganelli]

You have it exactly right John.
365 is not poisoning this forum, it is the negativity and repetition of some of the complaints about it that is.

This is a great segue and opportunity to redirect this discussion to the other part of this thread and focus on the positive. Have you watched Xara Xhris' tutorials? They are terrific. It helps that he goes beyond merely demonstrating the tool and showing its usage. He also goes into why it works the way it does, which is very useful for understanding how to 'think through xara'.

i hope that he continues to make training and that it gets promoted.

[browj2]

This is a great segue and opportunity to redirect this discussion to the other part of this thread and focus on the positive. Have you watched Xara Xhris' tutorials? They are terrific. It helps that he goes beyond merely demonstrating the tool and showing its usage. He also goes into why it works the way it does, which is very useful for understanding how to 'think through xara'.

i hope that he continues to make training and that it gets promoted.

Hi Joe,

Yes, I have watched several of Xara Xhris' tutorials, particularly the ones about web design, and they are excellent! I've been meaning to watch the others. Thanks for the reminder.

Another great source of tutorials mostly done by members is on XaraXone. Take a look.

John

[tonylondon]

This is a great segue and opportunity to redirect this discussion to the other part of this thread and focus on the positive. Have you watched Xara Xhris' tutorials? They are terrific. It helps that he goes beyond merely demonstrating the tool and showing its usage. He also goes into why it works the way it does, which is very useful for understanding how to 'think through xara'.

i hope that he continues to make training and that it gets promoted.

It is a while since I visited Xhris's work. I was very impressed when I did. Sounds like I need to revisit.

[handrawn]

Maybe Magix/Xara should have simply said that you are getting the current version (and all updates/upgrades) to the date of payment, and we are giving you a free trial of future upgrades over the next year, yours to keep if you don't have to reinstall, yours to keep permanently if you upgrade (renew) in a year. After all, no one seems to complain when a trial version runs out.

I hear what you say, but the question then is, can you free trial subsequently if you haven't renewed your licence? - see here: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...ce-has-expired

personally I think this is just another way of 'locking in' the user....

[browj2]

I hear what you say, but the question then is, can you free trial subsequently if you haven't renewed your licence? - see here: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...ce-has-expired

personally I think this is just another way of 'locking in' the user....

Yup, you got me with that one. This applies to all of the Magix 365 programs as well. Interesting problem.

John