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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    We are trying to be clear about what the Update Service entails so Acorn I'm going to add the sentences that follow your quote, for the benefit of those who haven't followed the thread closely or don't visit http://www.xara.com/update-service/ (but I'd urge everyone to visit the page and read all the FAQs to get a proper understanding). This is what we are offering, whether you regard it as a subscription or not is perhaps not of the first importance - the question is only whether it suits *you* to upgrade now, or later when you see something you want, whether to accept the updates or not, or none of the above:


    We know that many of you find it frustrating that you have to wait a whole year for our next update - knowing that we are working on (and have likely finished) new cutting edge features and on-trend content. We have the answer! For the first time you’ll have access to new features and content as we develop them, at any time during the 365 days after you purchase. You'll be able to download and use these new features, for no extra charge, in addition to the version that you buy today.

    - You receive a perpetual license to the very latest version at the time of purchase
    - We promise to continue optimizing and developing software which includes the Update Service. We will regularly publish new features and templates throughout the year
    - You will have access to these new features and content as we develop them, rather than waiting up to a year for our next annual release*. Which means you can keep up with the latest trends in web and graphic design!

    * What happens after 365 days?
    If you don't upgrade again the Update Service expires. Any online services will cease, or fall back to a basic service. For current 365 products this means:
    - Web Designer: The free hosting and free Online Designer continue, but the Online Content Catalog will no longer be accessible†
    - Web Designer Premium: The M hosting falls back to the free hosting offer, the Premium Xara Online Designer falls back to the free Online Designer, the Online Content Catalog will no longer be accessible†
    - Designer Pro: The M hosting falls back to the free hosting offer, the Premium Xara Online Designer falls back to the free Online Designer, the Online Content Catalog will no longer be accessible†
    - Photo & Graphic Designer: The Online Content Catalog will no longer be accessible†
    In addition you will no longer receive feature or content updates. The copy(s) that you have installed at the time of expiry will continue to run indefinitely, BUT if you re-install on a new machine after the Update Service has expired then the new installation will fall back to the version you last purchased.
    .................
    Kate Moir
    [url]http://www.xara.com[/url]

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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    Quote Originally Posted by katemoir View Post
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    Kate, I was not trying to be selective about the information and if I was, I apologise. I did include the link to the page for those interested.

    I just find the model you have adopted is contrary. Elsewhere, I buy a product and get free updates and bug fixes to the next big version, or I have a subscription. With a subscription, I will lose all access if I terminate.
    With your model, I lose relatively critical components that you have chosen to put on-line and beyond reach.

    To be upbeat, my Xara applications are my first port of call for 90% of my work. I subscribe to Creative Cloud because I can afford to and I use this reluctantly for industry-standard work. I use a variety of web packages but prefer Xara over these for elegant solutions (in the main). I use MS Word and MS Visio for DTP work. I want to use Xara but the lack of Visio-style or Gliffy-style dynamic connectors is a stopper for me. I would sorely miss not have my Xara applications.

    Read this: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...392#post569392 for ernie-f's accolade and superb portfolio.

    Acorn
    Acorn - installed Xara software: Cloud+/Pro+ and most others back through time (to CC's Artworks). Contact for technical remediation/consultancy for your web designs.
    When we provide assistance, your responses are valuable as they benefit the community. TG Nuggets you might like. Report faults: Xara Cloud+/Pro+/Magix Legacy; Xara KB & Chat

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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Acorn View Post
    Read this: https://www.talkgraphics.com/showthr...392#post569392 for ernie-f's accolade and superb portfolio.

    Acorn
    @Acorn: Thank Yuo very much!

    @ all: the thing is we don't own the program. We only have a time period where we can use it (license). It's like with fonts. You buy only the rights to use them – You don't own them.

    Not the yearly fee is for me the problem but to be dependet on Xara if anything go wrong with them. If I had all things on my PC offline, I can restruct them. If there lost by Xara – lost!

    An other thing which annoys me is the fact that Xara don't say clear what will be happend in the next time. Whre is the future of XDP? May this make a sence to stick with Xara for the future when You don't know what will Xara do? I wish an answer from the developers at Xara. But until now: NOTHING.
    So may I stay or may I go? I think I will …

    Servus Ernie

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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    Ok.......Now I think I understand how the 365 program works. However, as I was not signed up for the "Outsider" emails (I am as of now), how do I access the downloads for the updates I've missed so far?
    I've searched all over the Xara website and can't find a download link to them anywhere.
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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Duke View Post
    Ok.......Now I think I understand how the 365 program works. However, as I was not signed up for the "Outsider" emails (I am as of now), how do I access the downloads for the updates I've missed so far?
    I've searched all over the Xara website and can't find a download link to them anywhere.
    Ron, Help > Check for updates...

    Acorn
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    When we provide assistance, your responses are valuable as they benefit the community. TG Nuggets you might like. Report faults: Xara Cloud+/Pro+/Magix Legacy; Xara KB & Chat

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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    Acorn,
    That was naturally the first thing I tried.

    However, I have not done any downloading of updates myself and thus am unaware of any updates since I first installed 365.
    If the software is updating without my being aware of it, then I'm misunderstanding what Kate said here:

    "the question is only whether it suits *you* to upgrade now, or later when you see something you want, whether to accept the updates or not, or none of the above:"

    In other words, IF! I am recieving updates without knowing it, that means I'm not getting the option to accept or reject the various updates as they come out.


    Quote Originally Posted by Acorn View Post
    Ron, Help > Check for updates...

    Acorn
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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    Noticed the update that was downloaded from within the program is smaller than if I would download the trial version from the web.

    As long as I keep a copy of the latest trial that came out before my 365 subscription expires... I should have the updates and any added features even if I had to reinstall the software.

    Is my thinking correct?

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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Duke View Post
    Acorn,
    That was naturally the first thing I tried.

    However, I have not done any downloading of updates myself and thus am unaware of any updates since I first installed 365.
    If the software is updating without my being aware of it, then I'm misunderstanding what Kate said here:

    "the question is only whether it suits *you* to upgrade now, or later when you see something you want, whether to accept the updates or not, or none of the above:"

    In other words, IF! I am recieving updates without knowing it, that means I'm not getting the option to accept or reject the various updates as they come out.
    Ron, Xara application shave never forced an update. You have a second method, always haphazard, where Xara will present a "Do you wish to update?" screen, which you can decline.
    As mentioned earlier, updates and bug fixes are intertwined, so if you have a problem you are forced to update. If you have updated in error, you can always revert to the CD install or download from Xara; i believe this will always be the base version. whether that has bug fixes applied so it is changed throughout its year run. What has not been explained is if one subscribes for two years (v12 and v13) would v13 be downloadable after v14, v15 etc are out there?

    Acorn
    Acorn - installed Xara software: Cloud+/Pro+ and most others back through time (to CC's Artworks). Contact for technical remediation/consultancy for your web designs.
    When we provide assistance, your responses are valuable as they benefit the community. TG Nuggets you might like. Report faults: Xara Cloud+/Pro+/Magix Legacy; Xara KB & Chat

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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    I guess that I showed up as indifferent or negative on Bob's list. I tried my best to explain the realities and I thank Kate for jumping and doing a better job of it.

    So, put me down as a positive for the 365.

    Plus number 1, the way it was before was that you got the version that you paid for at the time of purchase, which was the one that was issued, even if you bought that upgrade (or new) 8 months after the version was issued (you had an 8 month old product with no new interim features). Now, whatever is in the version, including recently added features are what you are paying for.

    Plus number 2, you get an advance look at and use of any new features as they become available and you can keep them even if you don't pay for them after 1 year (renew, that is), unless you have to reinstall. Sounds like a very good deal to me. If you do find new features that come out after you bought in or renewed that are indispensable to you, keep in mind that you have not yet paid for them, so if you want to keep them in case you have to reinstall after the year is up, it is only fair that you pay (renew).

    Plus number 3, any new features that are content, you can download and keep and they will work even if you don't renew. Sounds good to me.

    As for the M hosting, that is independent of renewal of the 365 program. I used the coupon to get the M package about 6 months after purchasing the previous version, X11. My renewal is in January. I purchased the 365 version (X12) in July, and received a coupon for the M package. I used that coupon to renew in January of this year. M package is a subscription, always was. The domain name registration is a subscription. So, do not confuse the 365 period for Xara DPX with the M package. The M package would be a subscription whether or not the 365 scheme existed. This is the same everywhere; if you don't pay for your domain renewal, you lose access. However, as Kate points out your M hosting reverts to the free package, so maybe that should be Plus number 4.

    My only complaint is that there are a couple of bugs that have not been addressed and for these, it seems, that it is up to Magix to get them fixed in Xara. But that has nothing to do with the 365 program.

    As it stands, Xara DPX(12) already does much more than I really need or use, so the value to me of getting more is questionable. However, like it is with my other Magix products, there are usually a couple of new features that I didn't even think of but that I really like and want to use, so I end up getting the new version or renewing. If I want to use new features, I am willing to pay for them.

    Just thought of a plus 5 but it may be questionable, upgrading without installing a new version means not having to set up everything in the new version. This has always been annoying for me and I prefer the new scheme. However, it seems that one upgrade patch required redoing the settings, so maybe this gets half a point.

    And maybe plus 6, something that we missed, a lot of content, particularly web templates, that used to be additional cost now come with the program.

    I still have one outstanding question that Kate was not able to answer except to say that it was not yet sorted out with Magix. If one does not renew and has to re-install, how is the bug patching handled? Right now, there is no separation between a bug repair patch and one with new features. I have the same question for Magix for my other Magix products.

    Lastly, a couple of comments on Xara/Magix about some of the comments that I have seen:
    1. Magix/Xara allow you to download the program that you purchased indefinitely; the download link is in your account. I just had to reinstall everything on my computer and there were a few non-Xara, non-Magix programs for which I had not kept the install program and had trouble getting, not so with Magix/Xara;
    2. Magix/Xara give you 1 year on-line support and always have. Compare that to others, like Corel (1 month), and it seems that Magix still gives some support, even beyond 1 year;
    3. Xara employees, like Kate, Phil and Ben, often jump in to address some technical and commercial questions in TG. It is rare to find that in user forums with other software. Yes there are some, but not many.
    4. Support personnel are there to take care of installation, bugs that get reported, and help out where they can with some problems (usually for new users who don't bother reading the manual). They are not people who spend their day using the product, so don't expect them to be able to reply to intricate and difficult questions about using the product. That is where the users' forum comes in. I really dont think that software developers should be spending their time replying to user questions and comments on a forum; they should be spending their time developing the software. The support team can send forward problems and requests much more efficiently, and that is how I understand it is done.
    John CB
    Xara DPX(19.0.1.65946)

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    Default Re: How do you feel about the 365 Program?

    If one has to reinstall and the Xara product reverts back to as-purchased, one also cannot access content that was then current. At least from what I can ferret out in the mainly non-answers. Kate or another Xara person would need to clarify this.

    Mike

 

 

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