I remember playing around with C4D back in the day, and it was nice as well... and for quick, not quite as realistic renders, but to give one a good quick glimpse, or a quick web design pic, there was always the good ole true space 3.2... ah, this all brings back fond memories Pretty much retired now, so some renders might be in order... haha... still play around some with Wings 3D so stay tuned... have to drag out of the cob webs these fine tools of yesteryear