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    Default Re: First Post: Hello: Big Files

    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    yes well I once made a book in xar format with about 80 300dpi A5 drawings in it - it was over 360 MB in size - it is not the way I would do it today... but then I only had xara or photoshop to choose from
    Well the books that I did page layout for or published myself were in one case in excess of 500 MB, but my previous post of 100 MB files was a single page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamerprinter View Post
    More and more, I have needs for maps that exceed 72 x 72 inch in scale. Many virtual tabletop applications (software used to host online D&D type games) have 72 x 72 inch (usually 72 - 100 ppi) placeholders for maps. Sometimes I create maps that extend beyond a single 72 x 72 inch area, so that the whole map is sliced into 72 x 72 inch chunks, which means I sometimes desire to create originals in scales like 144 inches x 288 inches, something Xara won't let me do. Prior to version 9, Xara Xtreme Pro 5 was the previous version I was using and though it would let me create 24 x 36 inch maps, I couldn't go much bigger. Because most of my maps contain many layers, some of my larger maps exceed 100 MB in file size, even in Xara format.
    Gameprinter, if you don't mind me asking, what tool do you use to create such large maps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmanganelli View Post
    Gameprinter, if you don't mind me asking, what tool do you use to create such large maps?
    Well I have Xara Designer Pro 9, but Photo & Graphic Designer has everything needed to create maps - I've been a user since Xara X1, XX4, XXP5, and now XDP9 (I've always had the full program).

    I use to print maps, with the capability of printing up to 42 x 96 with a large format Canon printer (I still use it in my cartography process when doing hand-drawn work), but the mentioned scales in my previous post is for use in the mentioned virtual tabletop applications, so the final product is a 100 ppi JPG intended to be loaded into a map image space that users online can simultaneously view. There's no need for a print for much of what I do now, so Xara Photo & Graphic Designer is perfect for doing so.

    Since you're new here, you don't know me, but I'm a professional freelance game cartographer. I create maps for both video game strategy guide publishers and the roleplaying game industry (games like Dungeons & Dragons) and have been doing this for 8 years. I have a thread I started in 2010 here on the board, called Fantasy Maps Created with Xara Xtreme to give you an idea of the work I do using Xara almost exclusively for designing my work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmanganelli View Post
    Gameprinter, if you don't mind me asking, what tool do you use to create such large maps?
    Hi!

    Many printing companies take EPS files in the format 10:1.
    Where is problem?

    You put your document to the size of 20 inches. That's 10% of the desired size.
    So stroke weights, font sizes, etc. all in sizes of 10% of final size.
    When then scale up to 1000% output in the print dialog - gives back 200 inches.

    Do not forget. Convert lines and texts to editable shapes.

    In this way, I have to design a 6m exhibition wall. Worked just fine. Ask your print shop and try yourself.

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    @Gameprinter - not to make a competition of it, but I have single files [TIFF/TGA] that are well above 500MB in size... but still, the point is that it's possible up to a point, but it's slower.... and I think the earlier version [xrteme pro 3 I think - the first version with multiple pages and before the new web stuff anyway] was faster then version 8 with these files; one day I may dig around and verify, but I use CS-openGL photoshop and indesign these days, much quicker [for me]
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    Default Re: First Post: Hello: Big Files

    Which is why I still prefer vector. And escalating the competition I've created PSD files of a single page as a map that was well over a GB in size, with hundreds of layers, and measured 40,000 x 60,000 or more in pixel dimension.

    Since I mostly do maps there is no real page-layout needs. Labels, symbols, text and borders are about the extent of the use of graphics beyond the art of the map itself, so InDesign provides no advantage in this kind of work I do. 90 to 100% of the map work I do is entirely created in Xara (sometimes I use 3D applications to create complex objects that are difficult to replicate in 2D apps). I technically have no need of Photoshop, or any image editor in doing a map. The only time I use Photoshop is to create custom texture fills or to insure PSD exports from Xara are opened and saved in the most current Photoshop PSD format - because many of my high end publisher clients are using Macs and require PSD images that are perfectly compatible (I don't trust the Xara PSD export without checking it in Photoshop before I send it to the client.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by handrawn View Post
    @Gameprinter - not to make a competition of it, but I have single files [TIFF/TGA] that are well above 500MB in size... but still, the point is that it's possible up to a point, but it's slower.... and I think the earlier version [xrteme pro 3 I think - the first version with multiple pages and before the new web stuff anyway] was faster then version 8 with these files; one day I may dig around and verify, but I use CS-openGL photoshop and indesign these days, much quicker [for me]
    I agree that with the emergence of "revolutionary" webdesign features(which are not the best on the market) and the addition of cheap photo plugins(whitch is incredibly complicates the work with large files), Xara has turned to ordinary "allrounder".
    But for me Xara is still number 1 for the preparation of documents for the further work in PS & co. XDP has some features that are implemented more successfully and faster than other software. Any PSD files I start with XDP(Although, no. At first I compile a PSD file in Photoshop, and then open it with XDP). 60% of the work I do in Photoshop. But often XDP is not "replaceable" [for me].
    I'm waiting for the end of the "crisis" age and return XDP to it intended use.

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    Default Re: First Post: Hello: Big Files

    horses for courses - i paint and draw, can't do that in a vector program like you do in corel painter, or SAI even,; you can construct in the CAD way, but it's not the same and actually takes longer than freehand drawing [again for me] - still use xrara for run of the mill vector colouring and for routinely putting elements together, but that's about it these days; I have little hope of ver 11 pulling me back, since i have gone almost completely back to the raster way of doing things.. SIL
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