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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by iamtheblues View Post
    Lots of really great Drop Caps this month
    Bob.
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    I agree Bob.

    I like this one a lot.

    I can't help but wonder though how it would hold when reduced to a usable Drop Cap size.
    But I cannot test it at the moment because I am on an iPad.

    I expressed this concern to Max in #36 above. Anyway wether I am right or wrong, it is something to keep in mind.

    I have the same problem with icons. Many have produced some really beautiful icons but at icon size they fall apart.

    I think my swan Drop Cap in post 34 may have the same problem.
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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Egg Bramhill View Post
    Hi Max,

    Love that Drop Cap. It immeadiately reminded me of a much loved & missed British comedian Les Dawson, one of who's talents was tho play piano very badly (of course he could play extremely well) So I've modified your Cap as a tribute to Les.
    Thanks Egg, I really like the way you have used my Drop Cap. Brillant !!... like Les Dawson (whom I haven't known before)

    Max

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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by wizard509 View Post
    I like it MAX, But, i feel that the inclusion of the figure unnecessary. My fist impression on seeing the thumbnail was wihat are those angled shapes. I understood looking at the larger view. Which makes me wonder if I was all wet with my idea of piano keys because when reduced to a usable size for use as a Drop Cap the piano keys would mostly be lost. Was a valiant effort on your part. Sorry if I rained on your parade. Anyway I'm sure some of mine might suffer when reduced, i was just thinking, what if the keyboard was moved up, the height increased, and fewer keys? Or something like that. Just throwing out ideas.
    Hi Larry, I appreciated your criticism, I think it's the way for growing and getting better. I hate the forums where the members only write "Wow, it's so beautiful" !

    I will try to follow your advice and let's give a look on the result.

    Max

    Meanwhile, still following your "keys piano" idea, I have created a new drop cap

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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    Interesting discussion re the relative size of drop caps and the subsequent visibility of their content. I suppose today the use of drop caps has largely gone out of use, if it remains then at the very best the drop cap is twice the size or less than the accompanying text.

    However this wasn't always the case. On ancient manuscripts, hand drawn by mostly monks, it was quite common for the drop cap to fill the top eighth or even the top quarter of the page.

    I attach an image of the Harwich Town Charter of 1604 granting borough status to the town by King James (1st of England, 6th of Scotland) dated 1604. The drop cap is of the letter 'T' and includes a image of King James.

    This drop cap takes up at least a sixteenth of top left corner of the charter. Unfortunately I can't currently find the image of the whole first page of the charter.

    As an aside. with only a few days to go until the referendum, please Scotland, stay with the union.
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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    I knew I had the original somewhere. Here is the charter in full size and the drop cap is at least six times larger than the accompanying text. I just love these old documents created by scribes and monks. How many hours were spent creating them? What if you made a spelling mistake?
    Todays equivalant would be a 500 page document spat out by a laser printer in Times New Roman that no one will ever read.
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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    Interesting Egg, but it looks like they are decorating the entire page in one way or another.

    I respectfully submit the following. How much is true is up to you to decide however it is my understanding that a Drop Cap can be the first letter of the first word of a paragraph or could be large enough to maybe be 3 to 4 maybe even 6 lines in height. At least today. I have seen somewhere that it is used as the first letter of a chapter, but, I have never seen that.

    http://www.thebookdesigner.com/2012/...ap-typography/

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...001056510.aspx

    http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012...est-practices/
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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    Here is an example of the drop cap taking up all of the left hand of the page. Taking this to its logical conclusion, I imagine that the text could appear on the recto (right-hand page) of a book, and the drop capital on the facing page, or verso. But I do take Larry's point that usually a drop cap has a depth of seven lines of text.
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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    Whew that is a large one. Too large in my opinion, and defeats the purpose as I understand it.
    Larry a.k.a wizard509

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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    3 more. Tweaked to look good at small size.

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    Larry a.k.a wizard509

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    Default Re: Drop Cap September 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by maxcon62 View Post
    Meanwhile, still following your "keys piano" idea, I have created a new drop cap

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    Max maybe you will hate my opinion but that is a great idea and looking really interesting

 

 

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