I admire your persistence Mark. I don't think you messed up. The object copied in Designer and pasted in X3D will not be colored until you color it or them. I was using Xara 3D Makwer 7 and they were because that version remembers the previous file and uses that information unless you have opened a new file with the default screen. I have a custom startup screen, textured and animated so when I paste the object it has the texture, and background color I had applied to my default screen so I always have to change everything to what I want at the time.