Request to repost Frank's mini-tutorials & drawings that disappeared

[handrawn]

Hi Egg

Sounds to me like your argument is similar in principle [though not the same] as the ones we [at work] have about editorial independence

Whilst I have much sympathy with this, I cannot see anything in Charles' post to argue against myself

All proprietors/landlords/hosting_facillitators call them what you will, have house_rules/policy/conditions, and these may change just like any other rules

and on the other issue:

I'm not a fan of hot-linking - just being able to remove art posted on the art gallery forums - you know, being treated as a responsible grown-up

I'm sorry to see you step down as moderator, glad you are still here

[covoxer]

Steve, you are registered and active for about 3 years here, right?
The possibility of removing any attachments by user was blocked only about a year ago or so after BF demonstrated that not everyone can be "treated as a responsible grown-up".
Still you hadn't posted much serious art in the previous 2 years, when you had full control over your attachments.

[handrawn]

Hi John

My recollection is that the ability to delete art that ended 'after-BF' had not been in place that long - I remember being pleasantly supprised to see it [re?]appear

[angelize]

There is one thing I don't understand. Whether your image is on the TG servers or on your own site or anywhere on the internet anyone who knows how to take a screenshot can access your image. There are also programs now that using fractals can make it possible to increase the resolution of a screenshot quite a bit. I admit those programs are expensive but still it is possible. So what is really the harm in contributing something back to those who have helped you?

TG is what it is because most of us try to give back to the community we learn so much from. I always feel good when someone is able to learn something from what I've posted, because perhaps that person will eventually give back to TG too and our community continues to grow.

[handrawn]

Frances

I agree that you cannot prevent copying
I agree that helping others is one reason why many of us [me included] are here

The issue for me is copyright

I am a busy man - I do not have the time to post up art that is drawn specially for TG
I can post up work that is not done specially for TG, under certain circumstances, one of which is I retain full control of its official distribution

Unoffical distribution is a fact of life we all have to live with

[angelize]

What I was trying to ask was even if you could remove your attachments you still can't protect your image so how does being able to remove them protect your copyright? Is there something I'm missing?

[handrawn]

Yes Frances, I think so

its called 'usage rights', it affects how much you can make when your image is reused commercially and officially

you probably need an IPR expert to explain it fully - and most likely it would be off topic here

piracy is piracy, you have to be philosophical about that

remember copyright is not lost when your image is 'stolen' - just infringed

[covoxer]

You are wrong Steve, it was always there.
Your concerns about possible copyright infringement by Talk Graphics are nothing more than an empty sound.
There are plenty of talented artists who had posted on TG for about 10 years. There is a huge amount of users content on this forum. Yet for all these years there was not a single case of the copyright dispute or any problems here.
You had not posted anything but you are already complaining about copyright issues... Please continue, I'm sure everyone here is quite entertained.

[handrawn]

You are wrong Steve

we disagree then John.. and move on

[gwpriester]

Good points Egg. It had not occurred to me about a disgruntled member changing an image to include any of the above. And I have no reason to doubt that that could happen. Steady and level thinking like that is why you will be missed.

Frances - In order to increase the resolution of an image to anything approaching print quality, the image has to be very good to begin with. You can use Genuine Fractals to upsample an image and get OK results. I have done it with some of my 300dpi TIFF no compression stereogram images to increase the size for larger prints, and it works pretty well.

But I have also tried to enlarge some pretty good JPEG images saved with 20% compression (80% Xara Quality setting) and the results have been unusable.

For images posted on the web at 96dpi to be usable for commercial printing, they would have to be reduced to 1/3 the size to achieve an acceptable print resolution. So an image that is 6" at 96dpi needs to be printed at 2". Not all that useful.

The bigger problem with images on the web, is they can be copied, usally you can drag an image out of a browser and drop it onto the desktop. Or a screen capture for Flash sites that do not let you copy the image. And these images often end up in the portfolios of people with no talent who want to show their Facebook, or other social networking sites how cool their taste in art is. A few years ago I spent a few weeks contacting a large number of social networking sites asking that my images be removed. And the burden of proof is on me, not the user. This is why images posted on the web should all have a very visible copyright line. It is very hard for Jane Doe to post one of my images and claim it is hers. Unless of course the person removed your copyright line.

The sad truth is if you post an image on the web, and somebody likes it or wants to use it, they generally will. And very few persons will have the decency or honesty to request permission to use an image.