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[Stinger]

NoI have not tested this site on an Opera browser. I am very interested in doing do though. I do not currently have the opera browser installed on my computer. Can you tell me where i can get it?

Thanks for your input and insight,

[Erik Heyninck]

I always surf with Opera 5.O2 and I never had ugly margins...

[Erik Heyninck]

looked it up for me, and posted this quote on the webdesign forum:From John Dowdell - Macromedia Tech Support guy - from a GoLive list :
quote:
"...the new layout tables in Dreamweaver 4 do mark themselves with an "mm:layoutgroup" attribute, instead of the common practice of storing Design Notes in an external XML file, but that's because a table
itself is identified, rather than the meta-data about a file.
It's easy enough to delete these across a site, though... just select that attribute in the HTML and open the Find/Replace dialog... you'll find that selection already entered. Hit "OK" and it will replace that selected text with nothing... poof, gone. You can also set the filter to work across the entire site before hitting OK. Piece o'cake. ;-)"


Must say I'm disappointed.

[Stinger]

I have jumped into a pool of blood and am struggling (but I will make it). Instead of jumping to Homesite, I am now using Cold Fusion and UltraDev. No real point here, I just thought your last reply was chillingly close.

[Erik Heyninck]

I also visited your site and cam back her to tell you that I'm really impressed. Efficient, fast loading and effective.
Perhaps a hint, or, sorry, a new dimension to your quest: I prefer to use, and do use the OPERA browser. In my opinion it is the most reliable and the fastest.Even with a cable ISDN connection one sees the difference. For CSS, Opera is the best.
I had no problem visiting your site but I was just wondering if you tried your site in Opera or not...

[Erik Heyninck]

Thank you all for accepting me, who still doesn't have flash (this might be a blasphemy, but I only have Swish which can, of course, not be compared with Flash, but is really handy for text and simple image swf files... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] )

I still study a lot, and therefore I download pages to study the coding. Some designers are really geniusses when having to find solutions. So may beautiful approaches of the same detail. But, as the webdesign forum seems to have fallen asleep, permit me to post this little peculiarity here too...


Whilst downloading pages to study the html code, I stumbled on something strange.
Does anyone of you know, or has anyone of you ever met the following "tag" in the intro of a table:

mm:layoutgroup="true"

It is unknown to me, and there are two possibilities: either it is something very new, or it is something that might come from Macromedia's DW4 (mm might well be m(acro)m(edia)) as that app has a layout view, in which case they follow the Microsoft and Adobe example of implanting unnecessary items into their programmes, which will certainly be a disillusion for many users who still believe in DW's "clean" code. Also, it might also be the case if Flash...

Now I don't care to make publicity about something I like, but I do not like this "Big Brother"-like way of wanting to be in control. When you pay for it, it has to be clean, or it should at least be specified that this "spyware" exists so that anyone who is not afraid of the real coding work, may choose for her- or himself to let it be, or delete it.

What do you think? (If it isn't some new tag of course...) [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[pknair]

Erik,

Excellent tip on the installation of the plugin - I don't think many people out there have figured out how to take advantage of the fact that the plugin looks for a file called netscape.exe to figure out where to install the plugin, yet. Kudos!

Thanks, as well, for all the info on the browser. I used an older version of Opera years ago to test all my pages, but haven't had a chance to go back since then. Looks like I'll have to give it another go!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Thanks again...


hth,
Deep (just a guy)
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[Stinger]

Thanks Erik and Deep for all the insight on this. I have been into web development for several years now and I have never even heard of Opera until now. I guess that tells me that I need to be more current. I also don't really know any other people who are in this line of work. Nobody to "talk shop" with except here.

Thanks,

[ajuly]

Hi.I am not Erik, but I thought my observation might help. I usually test my pages in Opera and I have noticed that if you use Flash elements like banners, buttons or navigation bars embedded in HTML page the Opera browser creates ugly margin at the top of the flash movie. The height of the margin is usually equal to the height of the movie. At first I thought there was some trick in the code to fix it but then I checked other sites and found the same outcome -ugly margins. However I haven't seen anything like that when pages contained .swf only. Also I did not find any problems with Flash plugin in Opera.
Alex

[pknair]

heh - don't be. dreamweaver never put out 'clean' code - no matter what anyone told you. it's handy for certain things here and there, but realistically, if you start coding by hand, it's only a matter of time before you get stuff done quicker and better than most (if not all) of the wysiwyg editors. don't get me wrong - i'm not saying that you should ditch your wysiwyg editor - i'm just saying that if you're using one, you might want to get to know your code a bit better, just in case you go to the point where the wysiwyg editor is more of a hindrance than help.


hth,
Deep (just a guy)
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Pradeep Kumar Nair, B.Math
Senior Web Designer
http://www.blab.com
ICQ: 39102360
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