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    Thumbs up Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    lol
    No, I am not smoking anything remi... I am just standing up and letting the team know how I feel.... which is great!!!
    Also... I just converted and avid Dreamweaver/Adobe user into a XARA Pro 5 fan specifically due to the improvements in the program. I am feelin goooood!
    More Kisses lol
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    Hehe, sounds good.

    Enjoy your time with Xara Xtreme Pro 5.

    Regards
    Remi
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    But it does state some more
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    Hans, please read more carefully, what I've written:

    Quote Originally Posted by remi View Post
    If they are really successful with their strategy, you should see a significant change in the loss within the current quarter.
    You have to wait until the next business report, in order to see if there is a significant change in the loss or not.

    Remi
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    Oh but there will be a loss,that i know already
    But not to the fact you would make yourself believe what's the cause.
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    What are you talking about?
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    Didn't someone tell you there's a economic crisis going on??
    This would cut down on any company's revenue.
    So you can't say its due to scaring off old users or by new users simply not buying because they don't have the money to buy in the first place.
    We already had a discussion whether Xtreme is a pro product or merely for the hobbyist.
    Even when used by a pro it usually is a one man business and crisis hits them hard.
    So he/she needs to prioritize and skip the upgrade or new user not buying in the end.
    We can't tell but it will reflect on the income of Xara
    Sadly but true.
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    Quote Originally Posted by jens g.r. benthien View Post
    A life without Xara leaves a huge gap. But obviously that's the price you have to pay if you switch to a superior OS.
    In what way is MacOS superior to any other? Do vendors write suprerior drivers for their hardware? No, Apple write all the drivers and often do a very poor job of it. Is it more configurable for particular needs? No, in fact it is far less configurable than any other OS. Is it more stable? No, not one little bit. IN fact, in my experience it is far more difficult to resolve stability problems that do arise than any other OS.
    Overall, Apple provide computers that could, at best, be described as pro-sumer. Anyone who wants to rely on a computer to do anything even remotely challenging to their system would be crazy to buy a Mac, especially in this industry - their graphics drivers are simply appalling for anything but the most basic applications. They thrive on the ignorance and blind loyalty of their user base to perpetuate this myth of superiority. Give me a budget and I will build you a PC that will be superior in every way to a similarly priced Mac.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Hahn View Post
    I'd like to see Xara Xtreme succeed, but I too like to succeed. If Xtreme can't venture to the Mac, I may look in seeing who else is out there and then my turn to the dark side would be complete.
    You will fail in this endeavour unless, like the OP, you are happy to spend an order of magnitude more money. As he points out, InDesign, Photoshop and Illustrator make Xara redundant. What he fails to mention is that as part of Adobe CS4, you will be up for anything up to two grand to replace $250 worth of Xara.
    From his description, it sounds like Illustrator would make a great companion to Xara for tracing stuff, I gave it away as a bad joke at v8.0, except that it costs several times more so you tend to want to use it for everything. I would question the value in that, because unless you spend most of your time tracing, you'll save up more than enough time doing other things to offset having to fix up traces manually now and again.
    Quote Originally Posted by jens g.r. benthien View Post
    I've already mentioned it in another post: why should I install a superfluous operating system on a stable and reliable system? Even Windoze XP Pro for which I have a licence needs more space on the hard drive than the highly performant OS X.
    WinXP takes up 2.3Gb on my HDD. Even though I am running a 64Gb SSD, I find that a perfectly acceptable size for something that does as much as an operating system. I have also only experienced a single OS crash on WinXP, in more than 6 years of use. In more than two years I have never experienced a single crash under Vista on my work PC, which cops far more abuse than my personal workstation. Now, I will concede that Vista takes up far too much disc space for my humble SSD, or I would be using it for sure.
    I wouldn't build a shabby Ssangyong engine into a Ferrari - would you?
    You'll find most Ssangyongs run Mercedes engines, as they were formerly owned by Daimler, which is a perfect illustration of the kind of ignorance upon which most base their decision to buy a Mac.
    In any event, there is not so much as a single component in a Mac that is not also available for any PC user. OTOH, there are almost limitless PC configurations unavailable to a Mac user. I'd suggest a more apt analogy would be why buy a Ferrari if all you are going to use it for is commuting to the office? To take it step further, I'd liken Windoze to a Bentley Continental GT - all the driving pleasure, speed, performance and style of a sports car but if you need to pick the kids up from school or put a week's worth of groceries in the boot, you can do that. The price you pay is a bit of extra weight but it's more than offset by what's under the bonnet.
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    Anyhoo, I'm obviously a little late to this discussion, so rather than read another 11 pages, I'll just throw my two penneth worth into the fountain.

    I am incredulous that anyone is surprised that a $250 application is not as good in every conceivable area as a suite of applications costing around $1500 or so. I am more than happy to accept his claim that Illustrator is much better for tracing. Problem is, if Xara put a whole heap of work into that area, I wouldn't find the least little bit of use for it for any of the work, paid or otherwise, that I use Xara for.

    For me, as a full-time professional artist, Xara continues to serve me well across many disciplines and my reliance upon it continues to grow with each new release. Since I first started using it in 1999, it has gradually but completely replaced CorelDraw/Illustrator and Photoshop. Up until Xtreme, I still kept Photopaint around but lately that has become redundant and Xara has further been able to address my word-processing/layout and web design needs completely and comprehensively. So where once I had to have an entire suite of far more expensive applications to support my work as a broadcast designer and visual effects artist, I can now rely 100% on Xara for all those tasks. Although, to be completely fair, some of the burden has been taken on by Combustion, whose non-destructive editing and superior colour tools make it a better choice than Photoshop anyway.

    I'll always support Xara, even though many of the new features in recent releases are of limited or no use to me, simply because they are one of the few developers who put at least as much effort into improving what goes on "under the hood" as they do into bells and whistles. If I had dismissed the latest release as having no new features I need, I would have missed out on the most noticeable speed improvement I have ever experienced with any product.

    Think of it this way - imagine all the things you could teach a 6th grade class about graphic art using Xara, then think how much harder that would be with CS4. Sure, no-one is going to get work as an artist if all they know is Xara, but for giving people the big picture with a great user experience, it's perfect!

    So use specialist applications for most of your work and Xara for everything else. It has worked for me for going on 12 years now and I rely on it far more today than I ever have in the past. It may not get better and better in specific, narrow disciplines but as it spreads it's mighty wings, it casts a shadow on all of those areas outside your specialty and that's what makes it great. I use it now for writing documents [resumes, short stories, etc], for all my quotes and invoices, for all my web design needs [except Flash, which I still do in Combustion], UI design, flow-charting, sketching of ideas, matte painting [with Combustion], photo editing, bitmap repurposing, texture maps and even just to make notes while I am doing other things.

    To conclude [this does feel like an essay, doesn't it?], I don't think I have ever been in Xara's "target audience". That it continues to do more and more of the things I need to do never ceases to amaze and impress me. It's a jack-of-all-trades with a depth of features and breadth of ability that is simply astonishing for such a reasonable price. And that's not even taking into account it's ease of use or unmatched speed. If Xara cost as much as CS4, I'm sure no-one would use it and the OP and others would have some validity to their cirtique, but as a low-cost alternative for those who don't need everything CS4 can do, it is without peer.
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    Default Re: Thank you and good bye! I'm no longer Xara's target audience.

    The critique is entirely subjective, no one is saying Xtreme doesn't suit some users very well. Obviously it has much of what you need, I am very glad for you. Saying that it does not improve in the areas we would prefer, does not make our comments invalid, perhaps irrelevant, given the direction Xtreme is moving in, but not invalid.
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