Xtreme re-using alt-gr combinations

[BobInce]

Firstly, thanks for the changes to text input. It does now seem to be possible to type Japanese and most dead-keys into the text tool. (Maybe this was fixed before, in 3.2, but I never got around to upgrading to that version...?)

However Xtreme seems to camp on a few alt-gr combinations to provide its own shortcuts, in particular:

alt-gr+c: ©
alt-gr+r: ®
alt-gr+t: ™
alt-gr+b: •

alt-gr+w: import from web
(generally, not just in text tool)

I'm using a keyboard layout that likes to use those combos for extended dead-keys, so I'd really rather it didn't do that. It's not really Xara's job to be fiddling with the keyboard layout, and putting a command short-cut on alt-gr seems a bit wacky, I'm wondering if 'import from web' is even supposed to be there!

Can this be configured off, or maybe changed in a future version?

cheers,

[handrawn]

if you have pro4 you can use customise key short cuts to clear import from the web from ctr-alt+w

the others don't appear in the list so I don't think it will work with these
maybe they should be there?

[steve.ledger]

I'm not sure those combo's can be reconfigured in Xtremes shortcut key editor or the registry, at least I couldn't find them. They are likely internal.

I'm accustomed to using the Alt codes, I'm sure you know them.
Here's a list that I have handy for when I need them.
Others might find them useful also?

ALT Codes (alt+number)
(listed in no particular order)
-----------------------------
» 0187
• 0149
© 0169
® 0174
™ 0153
¥ 0165
¢ 0162
° 0176
€ 0128
£ 156
► 16
◄ 17
→ 26
← 27
↑ 24
↓ 25
♫ 14
♪ 13
☺1
☻2
◙ 10
☼ 15
■ 254
¼ 0188
½ 0189
¾ 0190
---------------------------------

There are many more of course, but I have little need for them.
Even the above list are used rarely with the exception of a few.

[handrawn]

indeed

import from web is ok - because it is in the short cut utility list - confirmed that can be de-assigned

the others I tried reassigning - but it dosn't appear to work - likely internal as you say - which is a pity

[iamtheblues]

Here's a list I made years ago, some of Steve's are duplicated, but there
may be others you'll find useful.
Saludos,
Bob.
€ = ALT + 0128
£ = ALT + 0163
© = ALT + 0169
® = ALT + 0174
¼ = ALT + 0188
½ = ALT + 0189
¾ = ALT + 0190
á = ALT + 0225
é = ALT + 0233
í = ALT + 0237
ó = ALT + 0243
ú = ALT + 0250
Á = ALT + 0193
É = ALT + 0201
Í = ALT + 0205
Ó = ALT + 0211
Ú = ALT + 0218
ä = ALT + 0228
ë = ALT + 0235
ï = ALT + 0239
ö = ALT + 0246
ü = ALT + 0252
æ = ALT + 0230
Æ = ALT + 0198
ê = ALT + 0234
ô = ALT + 0244
û = ALT + 0251
÷ = ALT + 0247
« = ALT + 0171
» = ALT + 0187
ß = ALT + 0223

[ss-kalm]

Bear in mind that different countries use different alt codes - I noticed that £ - 156 is shown on Bob's (iamtheblues) keyboard as 0163. Both are valid

If you use a 3 number code, you are using the OEM code page and with a leading 0 to give a 4 number code, you are using the ANSI code page. Both change dependent upon location and hardware.

If you need alt codes there is a good reference at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt_codes

[jclements]

What is "gr" ?

[handrawn]

an alternative alt key if you will

cant remember what it was originally

on my keyboard it is only present as 'alt gr'

[amoore]

alt-gr+c: ©
alt-gr+r: ®
alt-gr+t: ™
alt-gr+b: •

alt-gr+w: import from web
(generally, not just in text tool)

On my US keyboard, those shortcuts are ctl-alt, rather than alt-gr. The first three (C, R and T), at any rate, are long-time conventions in US DTP and wordprocessing. Don't know if they're considered "Windows" standards at this point, but it's possible. They're built into MS Word 2003, for example.

Losing those conventions would likely result in a lot of noise from users who're accustomed to them. I wonder if it's possible in the shortcut utility to distinguish between your gr key, since you say it's an alternative alt, and the ctl key. Or perhaps those shortcuts could be made accessible in the utility so you could change them.

Ctl-alt B is rather useful in the way Xtreme does text formatting, so I would hate to see that one "undefined".

[handrawn]

got a feeling that the modern keyboards do not have gr anymore as such - and that my uk board is just using different label for what is in effect a combined alt-crtl key - but I could be wrong