Xaralx progress!

**remi** · 14 July 2007, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by con

Isnt that Great?

No, I would prefer to be the owner of Coca Cola and get some millions (billions?) from another company, which would like to buy my company and not, that the whole world could use my (hard) work and make money with it (for nothing).

Remi

**con** · 14 July 2007, 04:02 PM

lol....i like this discussion...actually I was the owner of a bakery for 10 years and we used give our recepies to our customers all the time, and guess what the company is still in business makin as much money if not more as when I was there. And no one, not single person managed bake anything that looked or tasted anything like our products. So dont worry, you will still get your billions.

**remi** · 14 July 2007, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by con

So dont worry, you will still get your billions.

I hope so.

Regards,
Remi

**minimiro** · 14 July 2007, 11:14 PM

Just to include in discusion.... but for me here has some contradiction....

You like programmer make some free for me software
I like designer use your software and make my own product ie design which I cell for some money to third persons ie clients...

After some time line you still be there creating some free software for somebody
I will have my money

It is not fully fear I think

For that my opinion is that if no body didnt pay for creation of software in some time programmer will stop to work, becouse in our world money are motive power.
And for that by my opinion linux didnt rise so fast, he still is in some startup position, and almost havent PRO grafics software for him

**remi** · 15 July 2007, 12:43 AM

Yes, a lot of the current open source reality is more unfair, than fair from the view of the developers (that's the reason, why I ask for the ethics beyond open source).

Rich Green, Sun's executive vice president of software said on the 2007 JavaOne conference in San Francisco: "A lot of people are creating innovation that other organizations are benefiting from. I think this is unfair and unsustainable. It's Robin Hood backwards. We are stealing from the poor and making other people rich, and this seems very bad. Humans will not do this, nor should they have to. We have to look closely at working with those who contribute to the open source but whose contributions generate revenue for Sun and share that wealth. I'm sure we are going to do that." ([1])

Remi

**con** · 15 July 2007, 08:19 AM

Anyone who uses OSS to make a living has to ask him/herself "how much is this software worth to me?". Alot of ppl and companies make monetary contributions to OSS projects.

Anyone who works on a OSS project has to ask him/herself "can I afford not to get paid?". No one is getting tricked into working for free, dont speak for them. If you feel anyone who is developing OSS being treated unfair, send them money!

When OSS devs feel they are being treated unfair they stop writing the software, its quite simple. People working on OSS are for the most regular ppl like you and me with jobs and families or they are students or whatever. They decided on their own to start a project or help on a excisting one, they work on it when they have time, its a hobby. Dont forget alot of ppl enjoy programming its fun, its not like working in a coalmine or cottonfields.

Am I making any sense? Bottomline is, for the most part OSS is not about money at all, business ppl love to make it look like it is to protect their own interest.

**guy** · 31 July 2007, 09:50 AM

Re. CDraw vs. cairo, as I understand it:

CDraw is clever and fast, it is an important part of Xara's ability to earn money so the Xara people can eat. If it were open sourced, Xara are afraid that nobody would have a reason to pay them any more and they would starve. Maybe there is a patent in there somewhere too, or other IP rights difficulties, I don't know.

But because CDraw is not open to be modified by anybody, the free software community have a moral objection. Cairo overcomes this objection, at the cost of speed.

The obvious answer is to make two versions available:
1. An open-source cairo version, obtainable for free.
2. A pay-for CDraw version, fast enough for the professionals.

The only other way would be to convince the Xara folk that they really have more to gain than to lose by opening-up CDraw. I don't know how that could be done, though. Maybe the situation would have to change radically first, for example if the corporate user base ever gets large enough for Xara to survive on support contracts.

Oh, yeah, and another way would be to speed up cairo ;-(