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  1. #21
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    If you look at the work of an artist such as Vermeer. He used a form of 'camera' to project an image onto the canvas which he then traced. In fact many artists have used similar techniques to lay down the basic structure or composition of interiors or still life images. It was possible to do the same with landscape projecting an image into a darkened tent.
    A slightly less 'cheaty' method was to draw on a gridded paper or canvas while looking through an identically proportioned grid which simplifies getting the proportions in a drawing right a great deal.
    Tracing a photograph using tracing paper or a pantograph or now on a computer using vector or pixel software is just a development of the same idea.
    Nothing to do with cheating really while at the same time being a very definate cheat.
    Derek
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    I would say that it is an aid, not a cheat.

    Projecting an image will give you a fairly accurate outline to start with.
    The rest is up to the artist.
    In the commercial art world that practice is common.
    I worked in a commercial art studio from 1993 -1997.
    We painted murals for hotels, casinos, private residences, etc.
    The murals were painted in the studio then shipped to the site for installation.
    I wasn’t one of the top artists, but rather an apprentice who was responsible for preparing the canvases, painting backgrounds, blocking in shapes, textures, faux finishes, varnishing,etc.
    Many of these projects are huge (as large as 12 by 125 feet) and require a lot of manpower to get them out the door, so it really isn’t case of one Artist painting a picture, but rather one project Artist directing and overseeing the work of many Artists.
    Anyway, projecting images was one of the techniques used to expedite the process.
    Very useful for setting the preliminary shapes and proportion.

    Here is a link to the studio so you can see what I was up to:

    www.dbamurals.com

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    I would agree with what others here have said about using aids such as photos, tracing, camera obscura etc. They are not cheating under normal circumstances.

    Having said that, the ability to draw from life is a very valuable skill for computer artists to acquire, even if they don't use it all the time. It helps develop the ability to see line, design, and composition in the real world and lay out this 3-D vision on a flat surface in a convincing manner.

    Also, I find that a tremor in my hand makes it harder for me to draw on a slippery tablet than with a pencil on a piece of paper.
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    Alan
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    To my way of thinking, drawing aids like those mentioned are only cheating if they are used and then the work is claimed to be freehand i.e. the intention is to decieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanstancliff View Post
    Also, I find that a tremor in my hand makes it harder for me to draw on a slippery tablet than with a pencil on a piece of paper.
    Alan, placing a sheet of paper of a suitable texture upon the tablet will probaby solve that particular problem.
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    I think Doc nailed it, intent to defraud is the premise that precludes the concept of cheating.

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    Cheating? It's difficult to come up with a definite answer, because it’s not easy to draw a line between what’s cheating and what’s not, for the same reason why it’s so difficult to explain talent or art.
    Even when you do consider something cheating, you could ask yourself who’s being cheated; the viewer or artist himself?

    Unlike the majority of the artists who seem to prefer references (don’t ask me why), I on the other hand prefer to use no direct references, whether it’s a photograph of even drawing from “life”. I find “carbon copy art”, because that’s what I call it, pretty unexciting and not only as an artist, but also as a viewer.
    I want to create something out of nothing and have full control. Sure, that’s not an easy road, but I do like the challenge and really dislike copying from references, like for example working for 30 minutes on a mouth just to get that likeness right…sorry, I find that boring. In that same amount of time I could have created this unique expressions in the eyes that made the face really stand out.
    I respect it when someone makes different choices, I just happen to have totally opposite ideas.

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    Well tracing an object is not the same as drawing it on paper just from looking at it. I think to draw it freehand requires some talent.

    I do think if you drew it by hand and then scanned it and traced your own drawing then that would be acceptable.

    have I traced photos ? Sure, and I have done a few from hand drawn sketches and some work I do totally without reference except for what I see in my mind.

    I do have a little more admiration for some of the cartoonists here that only use thier sketches that have been scanned and dont use photos. To me that is more of real art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a4hire View Post
    cartoonists here that only use thier sketches
    its a hard life
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    That is funny - very good!
    "Intbel" ... "Can't" is not an option.

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