Seagull, while you are amusing, you sound like you have bubble-gum in your feathers

now, Egg, I just glanced at what you had me download. Seagull might be all in a tuft, but I thankyou very, very, VERY much for what I downloaded. I won't be as quick as Seagull in getting it, but it certainly provides other ways of experimenting (and probably easier methods than what I've been trying). I assume these are methods you have learned and used yourself (?)
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