I don't mean to rain on parades, but serious people please listen!

[Grafixman]

I wouldn't go into the what constitutes art debate. But Shawn's topic got this silly image into my head :

http://home.pchome.com.tw/art/grafixman/ban.gif

True, you shouldn't take things too lightly everytime. But if you don't enjoy it, why bother with it?

[RTK]

Grafixman - So that would make me God then? All I use are things I could cut out of paper using my kid's scissors? Or draw it using their crayons..

The point I (and Ed) were trying to make was - "who cares?"

Where do you measure the length of your penis from? - Who cares? Life is too short (http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif) to worry about these kind of things.

Just use the tools that you were blessed to get your hands on - and I'm positive that you will feel ok at the end of the day... http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

This is such a guy (insecure guy) thing... http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Risto

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[This message was edited by Risto Klint on March 19, 2004 at 0:13.]

[Grafixman]

He cares. You don't. I take my stand somewhere in between. You could call it worrying, while I would consider it as something to ponder upon, or maybe just give a passing thought. Somebody expressed an opinion. You may not like it, I may not like it, but the guy is free to voice it out. Just as I'm free to make fun of it, but I wouldn't throw insults at him. Judi thinks he's ok.

[RTK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Grafixman: ... but I wouldn't throw insults at him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
--- Right you are about that - really bad choice of words on my part. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

It does get me going when people voice what other people should or should not do - what is worthy and what is not - who should have a title and who should not - what is good enough to be posted and what is not... Blanket statements about what other people do, or should do, is not all that 'nice.'

Risto

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[Grafixman]

True, being told what should or should not be done gets me irritated too. But then I'd start doing the very same thing in return. Curious reaction, huh? http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
Shawn, are you reading this, or do you just post a topic and forget about it entirely?
I said earlier that I would not go into what and what is not art, but it's something to think about, too. To me, art is expressing yourself. Like speaking, or singing and dancing, or drawing. Some gets paid a lot of money for it, some starve. But we do it because we like it.
As for computer/traditional artwork, consider this:

http://home.pchome.com.tw/art/grafixman/shitart.gif

Something to think about, too.

Risto, I like your style. The longer you look at them, the more you discover.

[RAMWolff44]

Hmmm, if I didn't know any better I would swear those looked like ice cream, sans the cones!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif <sic>

But I must say I do like the hand done one better, looks like French Vanilla to me!! <sic>

No I don't play with substances like that!! YUK!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Richard http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

http://www.ramwolffsworld.com//Publi..._Prowl_sig.gif

http://www.ramwolffsworld.com/RAMWolffsWorld

[Ross Macintosh]

I rather like the virtual crap. I also like that since it was created so quickly its creator has time available to produce even more! (More crap that is. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif )

I find my views very similar to Risto on this subjects of this thread.

This debate reminded me that there are "artists" and "critics" who have trouble with those who paint with acrylics vs. oils. There are even people who believe the true artist must make his or her own paints! IMHO techniques and tools are ultimately irrelevant. What is really interesting is human expression and what we are able to communicate to one another. It is joyful to create, and to experience, emotions & ideas being expressed by lines, tones, and colours. Whether they are created with pixels, paint, graphite, or blood, it doesn't matter if there is communication.

Regards, Ross

[Grafixman]

Right between the eyes, Ross! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
Well, we all do it everyday.
My point is: Shit stinks, either way. I would have drawn a rose for comparison (a rose, by any other name...), but given my abilities, I thought I had a better shot doing the reverse statement http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif.
I heard of someone making sculptures out of kidney stones...

[Ross Macintosh]

I'm not a student of art history but I know there has been considerable debate on was is and is not art. The dada movement with its famous artist-signed common urinal was a significant statement that "it is art if I say it is". That sentiment was later reinforced by Piero Manzoni in 1961 when he canned his own doodoo. Here is a can here. If I'm not mistaken Piero produced 90 cans and gave them to his friends at a dinner party. The artsy gift received lots of media attention adding to the debate on art.

You can find another pic and more info here. I imagine if you had one of his cans you could probably retire on the proceeds of selling it! Piero also signed human models thereby transforming them into signed sculptural artworks. I wonder if he used a permanent marker??

Regards, Ross

PS - Have much fun or,if you prefer, deep anguish creating. And please keep sharing it with others. They might think it is crap - it might even be crap! It doesn't matter. Just doo it!

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[Mike Bailey]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> They might think it is crap - it might even be crap!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>