Cheaper Adobe Fonts?

[Sean Sedwards]

All the MS web fonts are OpenType (Andale Mono, Arial Black, Comic, Georgia, Impact, Trebuchet, Verdana, Webdings), although I'm not sure exactly what features are included. There are also OpenType versions of Arial, Courier, Times and other standard Windows fonts that come with Win2K which _may_ be available for free download on the MS site.

OpenType is native on Win2K, so XX uses them without help from ATM, although I doubt it takes advantage of any of the advanced features. I don't think many apps do so yet.

Regards - Sean

[jens g.r. benthien]

Klaus,

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InDesign supports OpenType, other apps will do so soon.
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Hm, pretty long list of apps you posted here. Let's talk about it when ALL apps will support OpenType and Adobe lowered the price, ok?

I have more than 300 Adobe Type 1 fonts here, and the least I can expect is an upgrade, but no, Adobe wants to cash in. I can wait until the prices will drop considerably.

And I want to issue a bad tasting lemon for this software list: it's the shortest list I've ever seen.

Congrats for the 'Klaus Lemmon' :-), the nobel prize for hype thingies.

ciao,
jens

[gwpriester]

Klaus

You might try EyeWire.com, but I suspect they will be the same. Is Minion Pro Opticals the same as Minion Multiple Master? I don't believe I have heard of that font.

Gary

Gary Priester

Moderator Person

Be It Every So Humble...

[Klaus Nordby]

I know, I know, I know. I own InDesign, an awesome (if a bit sluggish) program - that's why I want OpenType fonts. But they're expensive as hell, so far.


K

[Klaus Nordby]

"Opticals" are ready-made fonts for various sizes - see the OpenFont page at Adobe. I guess *maybe* I could make the fonts I need from the MM font, am unsure. I'll check out eyewire now, thanks.


K

[gwpriester]

Klaus

Are OpenFonts even available for Windows?

Multiple Master fonts come in one or more of three possible axis, size, weight, and one other which alludes me at the moment.

You can build a font for a specific size. As the fonts get larger, the design of the characters becomes more refined and elegant.

But I'm sure you know this already.

Gary

Gary Priester

Moderator Person

Be It Every So Humble...

[will]

what you have to say is a thousand times more important than the font you say it with.

Will

[gwpriester]

I know your question was not address to me, Jens, but there would be no discernable difference in the fonts. The difference is in the extended characters or glyf alternates.

To quote from my article

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>InDesign's Replace Character palette makes it easy to replace characters and symbols without the need to remember character codes or keyboard shortcuts. If the Ligatures option is checked in the Character dialog box, InDesign automatically applies ligatures available in the font used and words using ligatures will not be questioned when checking spelling. When Adobe Pro OpenType format fonts are used in InDesign the palette will show glyph alternates as a pop-up window when certain characters is clicked on. Becasue InDesign and Adobe Pro fonts use unicode encoding, old style figures and expert ligatures can be automatically applied and words containing ff, ffi and ffl ligatures will break correctly at the end of a line of text returning to individual characters automatically.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gary

Gary Priester

Moderator Person

Be It Every So Humble...

[Klaus Nordby]

Gary: I know, I know, I know. But thanks for answering Jens for me!

Jens: that 99.5% of the world's population is ignorant of and unappreciate of issue X is NO argument for not doing OUR very best - if we know better! Typography is such a subtle art where every little bit counts - and the numerous glyphs made possible by OpenType's 16 bit character set (65.000!) as opposed to the regular font's 256 glyphs makes a GREAT advance in desktop typography. So I will eventually pay Adobe's steep asking price, I guess!

Quality costs, Jens - you should know that!


K

[jens g.r. benthien]

Klaus,

can you do us a favor and post a pic with one OpenType font sample and one 'normal' sample (of the same font of course) side by side?

IMHO, this is another hype or overkill...unless a direct comparison will convince me...

Remember there will be 99% of the readers in this world who give a damn on OpenType or 'normal' fonts - they simply read the book or magazine or... and enjoy the content, that's it. I guess 80% of the human race doesn't even know anything about fonts. Conclusion: OpenType = OpenHype = Overpriced, or am I totally off the track?

jens