Question...

[RTK]

Does anybody have a tutorial on something like what our friend nikolai created in his gallery forum post, titled "Oil clone on Bryce image?"

I assume that you can create similar effects with other Painter art "materials?"

The reason why I'm asking is that I think I could have use of Painter just for this purpose alone (as a replacement for certain Photoshop plug-ins.) If it is not insanely time consuming and complicated?

This would be for Painter7 (The latest version you get when you buy?.) I would be creating the "base" image in Xara X/Photoshop and bring it into Painter.

Grateful for any pointers!

Risto

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[RTK]

Does anybody have a tutorial on something like what our friend nikolai created in his gallery forum post, titled "Oil clone on Bryce image?"

I assume that you can create similar effects with other Painter art "materials?"

The reason why I'm asking is that I think I could have use of Painter just for this purpose alone (as a replacement for certain Photoshop plug-ins.) If it is not insanely time consuming and complicated?

This would be for Painter7 (The latest version you get when you buy?.) I would be creating the "base" image in Xara X/Photoshop and bring it into Painter.

Grateful for any pointers!

Risto

risto@ristoklint.com

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[Jinny Brown]

Risto,

You can download a 30 day trial version of Painter 7 at the Procreate site:

http://www.procreate.com

Clone painting in Painter is fairly simple:

You open your original image, then use File > Clone to make an exact copy of the original. The Clone is automatically named (but not saved) "Clone of.... (then the original image's name), and in the File > Clone Source flyout menu, the original image file name is automatically checked. This tells Painter where to get color information when you paint on the Clone.

In the Brushes palette, scroll down the brush category list and choose Cloners, then in the brush variant list, choose a variant (one of them is named Oil Cloner, for instance).

In the Art Materials palette's Colors section, make sure the Clone Colors box is checked.

With the Clone active, use Select > All, then use Edit > Clear. This deletes the image and leaves the Clone Canvas blank.

Use Canvas > Tracing Paper. This turns on Tracing Paper to display a 50% Opacity view of the original image.

Begin painting and choose other Cloners variants to get different effects if you want.

If you want to save your painting and work on it in another Painter session, save it in Painter's native RIFF format. The next time you want to work on it, be sure to open both the Clone painting and the original image, then in File > Clone Source, check the original image's file name.

If you want to use another image as the Clone Source, as well as your original image, it will have to be the same dimensions and Resolution (number of pixels per inch, or ppi) as the original image and the Clone painting so when you paint on the Clone, areas of the Clone Source image will be painted in the same locations on the Clone painting. In other words, the images all have to register as well as be in the same Resolution (number of pixels per inch, or ppi).

Almost any of Painter's brush variants can be turned into a Cloner by checking the Art Materials palette Colors section's Clone Colors box.


Have fun, and buy Painter 7 so you can play all the time!

Jinny Brown

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[RTK]

... this is not good, Jinny. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

It is WAY to addictive! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I tried your suggested technique and it works perfectly! Thank you most humbly for your thorough explanation. I appreciate you taking the time.

Now, if I could only make it look half interesting. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif I will have to play around with all the related settings…

Is it true that when you figure out what all the different settings do in Painter, you get a gold medal?! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Risto

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[RTK]

... that I gave it a try! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

My first feeble painter step. I over-worked it, but I couldn't stop myself bacause I was having so much fun! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Oh, well there is always the next one, and the next, and...

Risto

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[Judi A]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Is it true that when you figure out what all the different settings do in Painter, you get a gold medal?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, you have to go into a 12 step AA program for addiction! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Risto one of the things I've found fun is if you create a vector object in Xara and create a transparant bitmap of it and paste it into painter it comes in as a layer, perserve the layer's transparency or not depending what you want to do and have fun. Unfortunately the reverse is not possible unless you create a transparent GIF

Your imagination far exceeds mine so I know you would have lots of fun.

Judi

[Judi A]

While I was replying you were posting.

Very neat effect! Maybe a "Risto" going into another directon? Have Fun

[Jinny Brown]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Risto Klint:
... this is not good, Jinny. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

It is WAY to addictive! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

<SNIP>

Is it true that when you figure out what all the different settings do in Painter, you get a gold medal?! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

<SNIP>
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No one knows. It's never been done. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

I should edit that line to say that figuring out everything possible in Painter has never been done. Not even one of the original (and continuing through Painter 7 development) Painter developers could answer some of my questions!

This is a good thing! It means there's no chance of ever getting bored with Painter (ask me, I've been using it and loving it since 1995, every darned day of the year).

Your painting is great. It's Joyful!

TIP (Which you may already have figured out):

If you "overwork" an area of your painting, just grab the Cloners' Straight Cloner variant and paint the original image back into that area, then pick another Cloners' variant and continue painting.

Or, of course, you could just use an Eraser variant, but that's not as much fun.

Glad to see you like this, the fun is only beginning!

Jinny Brown

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[RTK]

... Judy. I will have to give your suggestion a try also. Yes, the effect is neat, and fun to do at the same time.

Jinny - Aha! There is a straight cloner too? Well, that only makes sense doesn't it?! There seems to be an option for everything else. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Risto

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[DLFrost]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Risto Klint:
Jinny - Aha! There is a straight cloner too? Well, that only makes sense doesn't it?! There seems to be an option for everything else. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
There's an Auto Van Gogh command that turns Painter's cloning feature into a filter effect (the command places the strokes for you). Try using it to fill the canvas with a particluar brush effect and then use one of the blenders on the result, or use a different clone brush.

Almost all of Painter's brushes can be used as cloners be clicking the "Clone Color" box on the Art Materials:Color/RGB Color or Brush Controls: Cloning subpalettes. (Exceptions involve certain layer types and watercolor brushes.)

The Coriolis Painter f/x & Design books have good coverage on cloning.

It's nice to see you've got a website for your work. Your style is so unique you should do well if you get into professional illustration.

Doug Frost