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    XaraX GOOD stuff:
    A Fast and Efficient program. Good handling of Vector Nodes. Fill and Transparency handling is very good too!! Text handling is superb. Good Exportation dialog for .jpg, png, bmp and .gif's!! Envelopes and Moulding shapes are very very well handled (no issue with artifacts when moving the shape around to ANY position). The Bevel tool cannot be beat (IMHO) and the Drop Shadow tool is just fantastic. You CAN create a glow efffect with this tool by dragging & dropping a new color into the shadow color area (it will replace the black color, which is default). Shadows are detachable, which is a real nice extra!! Transparencies are just fantastic as well. Multitudes of options under this area. Also love the Cloud and Plazma Fractal Transparencies, really great!! Feathering tool is one of the best out there as well!! The Freehand tool is useful and pretty easy to work with (under that same icon resides the Brush tool giving you many different line effects and shapes, all controllable with line width's and line shapes. I really like the Arrange/Combine Shapes/Slice(cut)Shapes operation. The shapes outlines are used to cut out what ever you want but does NOT subtract the cut out shape, instead it leaves the sliced shape in tact so you can use it for something else, really wonderful handling there!! Some programs handle this differently by subtracting the top shape completely, Xara has this one in the bag!! Blend tool is really good too. I don't use the Contour tool too much, so I can't really comment. The Button and NavBar Tool bar were very confusing to me, so I don't use them either. And finally, there are many download-able brushes from here at TG and Pixelparity to add in to the program as needed!!
    XaraX BAD stuff:
    NO Bump Maps and NO 3D Lighting. Galleries are not dockable, which personally for me is an option that would make my experience much better and more organized!! The Vector Node tools could use a little improving upon like more options for curves, etc.... and more Quick Shapes. The Brush tool NEEDS to be debugged and improved upon (this bug causes some users to have program crashes and unsaved work is lost, NOT GOOD! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/mad.gif)! The addition of tools that acts like an Eraser, Blur and Smear tools would be helpful (Satori is a 'paint' program that actually uses vectors to paint with and they have these tools or 'brushes" available and MORE!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif ). Button and NavBar Tool bar could be a bit more user friendly. More Quick Shapes too!! Import and Export filters are BADLY in need of revamping and aditional ones added in!! One of the worst things about Xara Ltd. is they have not updated XaraX in quite some time (going on 3 years now, I think http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) and very little interaction with the client base here at TG if at all. That should be changed to a more friendlier interaction and willing to listen to the users. Support is not one of their strong areas. Also their Sales division needs to be reworked!! This program RULES and yet not a whole lot of folks knows about XaraX, a real shame. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Other than that XaraX is a winner in my book!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

    DrawPlus7 GOOD stuff:
    Similar to CorelDraw, NOT XaraX. DrawPlus 7 has it's own versions of tools SIMILAR, but not the same as, XaraX (if your going to compare it to XaraX, that is.... http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ) I like that the user has the option of Dockable Galleries. LOTS of Quick Shapes and very cool, ready to drag & drop Color, Color Fills, Color Meshes and Transparency swatches. 3D Lighting and Bump Maps galore!! I think the best handling of Vectors Nodes (sorry Xara but DrawPlus 7 DOES have some really fantastic tools for handling nodes!). Example: Once you create a new shape then click on the Node tool icon and up pops the Curve Toolbar and you have a set of tools that XaraX cannot beat (YET!) http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Also, once you create an effect you really like and want it available for other objects/shapes then got to the Effects Gallery and under My Effects drag the entire object over to it and drop it, you will then be presented with a Name dialog and then presto chango, in goes the effect, available to apply to any other object just by double clicking on the effect and the selected object will have this set of effects aplied. This includes any and all Filter Effects. One other thing is that Serif's DrawPlus 7, along with all the other products they have in their product line up, are updated at LEAST once a year and Serif release's patches as needed and they DO listen to the user base and actually interact with them on the forums. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Kadoos to Serif for that!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
    DrawPlus 7 BAD stuff:
    While DrawPlus 7 had a plethora of cool tools that XaraX does not have it IS missing a very important feature that XaraX seems to have every one beaten in, Ssssspeeeeeeeed!! Example: I worked on a 'Fantasy Castle' project for a couple of months and ended up trashing it. Why?? The heavier the file got to be, the worse it was to work on!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Try moving separate objects about with Filter Effects applied, it just became too heavy and the program slowed to a crawl. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Even using the 'layers' manager did not clear this up very well. I called it a "sticky problem" which worsens as new objects are added to the file, especially ones that have ANY Filter Effects applied to them! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/mad.gif It was toopainful to keep going through that, so I trashed the project and moved on! No detachable Shadows. The Filter Effects are how the program achieves the Bevels, 3D Lighting, Feathering and other effects. The program is not set up to allow any Filter Effect to be ungrouped or detached from the parent object/shape. In XaraX you can detach just about any "filter effect" that you apply. It is either vectorized and ungroup-able or bitmapped and ungroup-able. For me very that is too limiting to what I can do in DrawPlus 7. I also can not stand the (dis)organization of the Gradient Transparency gallery. There is something NOT QUITE right about it. Also, while there are many options using the transparencies, the "Fractal" Transparencies are just plain ugly!! Plus for the novice the Filter Effects dialogs can be a bit daunting. They DO give you absolute control over the effects applied but for a newbie each area of the Filter Effects is a new challenge to get to know all the controls. As I said this program is really structured more after the Adobe/Corel software products (Illustrator and CorelDraw). Import and Export filters are BADLY in need of an over all improving upon!!

    I think that's about it.

    For some of the best 3D Lighting Effects and Bump Maps out there RealDraw-Pro 3.1 is the way to go!! The Vector Nodes tools needs to be reworked, BIG TIME! In fact the entire Vector area needs reworking. If you were to zoom in on a vector line at about 300 - 400% you get jaggies. Not a true vector. Then of course you are asked to use the "Super" Anti-Alias option which really does NOT make that much difference. So I think Oscar took a short cut some where in the vector area. The program would be SO much better if this area were completely re-written from the ground up with more Nodes options!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif BUT I give credit where credit is due, the program IS only going on it's 3rd release, so it's still in it's infancy compared to XaraX. http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/wink.gif And don't let XaraX fool you, it HAS been around for a while now!! I'm not quite sure but I think Gary could tell you, it's had about 5 or 6 releases total? Including the 2 releases under the Corel banner. I would keep an eye out on RealDraw-Pro though, it's going places but with only ONE man running the show (no lie) (his name is Oscar) it takes time to get things just right. Oscar DID hire on some other employee's to help with upkeep of the site and the sales areas and I'm not sure but I think Oscar is still coding most, if not all of the 12 or more software applications that he created and wrote him self!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/eek.gif Pretty impressive in my book!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

    So there you have it. I know I'm biased but just ask any one around here, I'm the man that loves to play around with all these programs. I go away for a while and play and then come back and write these home spun reviews, but in the end I always come back to XaraX. For some of my finishing up or post work, that may need a little extra light here, bump map there or what ever, I will sometimes export the finished image from XaraX and import it into RealDraw-Pro to add these finishing touches to it and then I'm finished!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif XaraX can not do it all, YET! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif But there IS talk about a new release, but GOD ONLY KNOW'S when that will be!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

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    Hallo RacerX30!

    I´d like to emphasize that Xara´s PEN TOOL (bezier nodes and curves...)is great!

    I had to learn that tool in Photoshop, Illustrator and Freehand and never could handle it right. I believed in being untalented till I tried out the Xara pen tool. It´s easy, it´s fun

    Hello Richard Ramwolf!

    Thanks for the great review!


    Lori

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    Hello to everyone, I'm new here too. I met Racerx30 on the Pinoy7 Paint Shop Pro Forum where we both had an interest in trying out some pure vector programmes. He recommended Xara X to me and I also downloaded the trial version. After just 2 days playing with it I like it more and more.

    The comparisons above were very helpful to me, as I am wondering what to buy also (I think I've decided not to get the full PSP8, doesn't seem like enough improvements over 7 to justify the price).

    Is it worth buying Xara X or should I cough up more money and go for something like Illustrator?
    I'm very tempted with Xara and I know when my 30 days is up I'll miss it.

    Cheers

    Sean

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    Sean,

    Dude, don't even waste the money on Illustrator unless you like to spend money!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif It may be the industry standard but XaraX, IMHO, can do as much, if not more than Illy and at a fraction of the cost.

    Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my copy of Photoshop 7 but I wouldn't bother with Illustrator when I have XaraX and RealDraw-Pro to satisfy my vector needs! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

    Hope to see more of you and Greg here, or at Pixelparity!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sean:
    Hello to everyone, I'm new here too. I met Racerx30 on the Pinoy7 Paint Shop Pro Forum where we both had an interest in trying out some pure vector programmes. He recommended Xara X to me and I also downloaded the trial version. After just 2 days playing with it I like it more and more.

    The comparisons above were very helpful to me, as I am wondering what to buy also (I think I've decided not to get the full PSP8, doesn't seem like enough improvements over 7 to justify the price).

    Is it worth buying Xara X or should I cough up more money and go for something like Illustrator?
    I'm very tempted with Xara and I know when my 30 days is up I'll miss it.

    Cheers

    Sean<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hey Sean, glad to hear you like Xara X. I must agree Richard on this one as well. I downloaded the Illustrator trial version and I can't believe people actually pay that price for that program. It MAY be the industry standard, but it's beyond me how it got that status. Do yourself a favor and save a TON of money and buy Xara X. Illustrator is just not worth it.

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    Please people, simply because you don't understand a program is no reason to put it down.

    There is a very good reason that Illustrator enjoys the high standard it has for so many years - it's a professional program intended for professional graphic artists. Which means it's not going to be a sit-down-and-start-using-it program. It has a definate learning curve, like any advanced application - including Xara-X, I might add - with which I'm **still** struggling to acheive results which (for me) in Illustrator are a breeze.

    I think, based on my extremely limited experience using Xara-X (about one week), that it has some potential, but it certainly isn't going to be replacing Illustrator any time soon, at least not in my graphics "toolbox".

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Orange Skies:
    Please people, simply because you don't understand a program is no reason to put it down.
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    I totally agree! I do have to admit that Illustrator can be really frustrating once you start with it. After a while you can't live without it.
    Illustrator has a broad toolset and Illustrator CS only expands it even more.
    I use it to make illustrations but also to build up splines for my 3D software. It's huge, expensive, it's slow (should be improved in CS) and it has its shortcomings, but it's still the #1 vector application any way you look at it.
    I agree with Orange Skies; Xara X is good but isn't going to replace Illustrator in my toolbox either.

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    but for someone that has limited funds and wants to have a good (great in my opinion) vector program on hand then XaraX is MY choice.

    As stated I am more than a little thrilled with Photoshop 7, so it's not like I have an issue with Adobe, although I used to, I have been since converted and PhotoPaint has been retired!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

    A client of mine (I'm a hairdresser) works for Adobe and asked me when my birthday is AFTER she had mentioned that she was being flown to NY City for the big anouncement (which was to anounce the new products and suite's). So then I wrote her and told her I was interested in the Creative Suite CS Standard. So we shall see. If it doesn't happen then I will live!!

    Hopefully the new Illustrator CS has been improved in ways that will satisfy my needs and from what I've read there are now 3D Ligts and a few other things that caught my attention. Speed is also something that XaraX has on Illustrator. I've just about tried them all, including Illustrator and was not pleased by the slugishness, esp when a file starts to get a bit on the heavy side.

    So there you have it. I'm interested in the program but not willing to pay that sort of money for it. I think that is a crime to charge that sort of money for ANY type of software, IMHO!! http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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    I wouldn't say I put the program down and said it totally sucks. It's not at the top of the heap for nothing apparently. However for the person who does it as a hobby, I still stand by my statement it's just not worth it. As for learning the program, I pick up on programs very easy and for what I want to do Illustrator just didn't have the options I wanted it to have. I can't help it that Illustrator has very limited gradient options compared to XaraX. But I'd hardly say I was intimidated by Illustrator, I'm the kind of person who sees lots of buttons and options and gets excited not think oh god this program sucks.

    -Greg

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    I don't know the right word for this: if you resize an object using its corner nodes while keeping SHIFT key pressed --in Xara, CorelDraw!, FW, Canvas, etc-- it will be resized proportionally from its center. I mean, the object got shrinked or expanded using a center point, which is a very important time saver... for instance, doing a concentric two squares object is easy thanks to that: create a square, duplicate without relocation, resize the copy with SHIFT pressed and it will be "symetric" with the original one...

    RD do not have that! you have to do the resizing and then align the objects!! One of the things I quit testing it http://www.talkgraphics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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