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I understand, I think, because I have been where you are now

I really do wish xara would take layers seriously from a graphic design point of view

yes if I understand you right that is another big gripe with the 'groups-are-the-equivalent-of layers' mantra

in xara you cannot edit objects within the group easily unless you edit inside, and...

way back I banged the drum for nested layers in xara - the reply I got was that in xara, groups are the equivalent of layers in 'other' programs.... so nested layers were not seen as 'necessary'

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