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trust xara to make things more complicated than they might need to be....

still a good learning experience, and now this is a plus point for the pro+ :)

ok forget all that

it's the show selection bounds handles that is the issue - clue in your screen shot :o

a big relief to me... thanks again for your help :-bd

so...

square is bitmap - polygon is vector

select vector and click on show rotation centre - rotation centre appears

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do the same for bitmap - no rotation centre

ok thanks i will look into that

ok cracked it, I think

the bitmap will only so rotate if you use the info bar to do the rotation - it will not rotate around the rotation centre point using it's handle, unlike the quickshapes,...

I am in the selector tool

I create a quickshape I click on the selector tool infor bar button - set origin position - and I get a rotation point that I can move so that the quickshape rotates...

yes that new behaviour that you mention [not fill]: it works fine for vector objects, but I cannot get it to work for a bitmap - a bitmap just spins on its own axis regardless of where the rotation...

in previous versions I could set a rotation point for bitmaps

this no longer seems to work in pro+

am I doing sopmething wrong?