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Redraw of Apothecary and Haberdashery c. 1890
The original drawing had early automobiles in it. This redraw with numerous changes in it, has a "hack" instead.
Changes include: NO bitmaps, a few items added in the windows of the shops, a woman in the upstairs window opposite of Sherlock, Professor Moriarty walking down the street, a rat, a chip in the sidewalk curb and a few color adjustments.
Hope you like it...
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Some close ups...
Not so strange, as I see some things I still want to edit or change, but that's me for you...:confused:
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Hi Ron, this is a classic Ronald C Duke, I love it.
Ciao
Roly
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I like it Ron, even better than the original. =D>:star=D>
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Even better! And fantastic detail. BUT, the guy on the bicycle should be bigger since he is nearer the viewer.
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Thanks To my, Larry band Gary.
Gary:
Yes. He needs to be larger and there are a few other changes coming.
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Ok, I added an "overlay" transparency to the overall drawing, enlarged the bicyclist for proper scale and redressed the lady on the street leaving 221 B Baker Street address. Her previous attire was not era specific enough, I thought. I did a little research on the ladies dresses of the period and came up with this current version.
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Ok, I'm really close to done.
I added some chips and cracks in the sidewalk, some litter in the street, and I thought the windows above the haberdashery were too plain, so I added framing to those. I moved a couple of things. Changed the font on the apothecary name and changed the haberdashery sign name and font. I think that's all...
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Lot's of stuff going on, even a rat in the gutter! Great work, Ron!
One thing I would change is the white stucco. It's so light that it makes my eyes want to go there. This might be a good thing, however, if you want the viewer to spot good old Sherlock (?) behind the window.... Another thing is that I find the stucco's texture a bit too blurred when compared to the sharp renderings of the rest of the background textures.
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Boy
Lot's of stuff going on, even a rat in the gutter! Great work, Ron!
One thing I would change is the white stucco. It's so light that it makes my eyes want to go there. This might be a good thing, however, if you want the viewer to spot good old Sherlock (?) behind the window.... Another thing is that I find the stucco's texture a bit too blurred when compared to the sharp renderings of the rest of the background textures.
Good observation , Boy. I''ve had real difficulty trying to replicate the effect as shown in photos.
Thanks Boy,
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I just want to add that I'm've got the goal of Jot using gallery fills. I want the entire drawing to be without bitmap fills.
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A lofty goal Ron. One thing I noticed however is the window muntons particularly over Sherlock, I understand they are dark but in my humble opinion they appear to be the same value as Sherlock, So it seems to me that either the muntons should be cheated a bit lighter or the figure darker to make Sherlock appear to be behind the muntons and glass, either that or a vertical rectangular transparency over the figure to separate the the figure from the glass and muntons mostly the muntons, anything to give a visual separation. Either way would work but it's your call. and I stand by your decision. BTW I really like it. Way to go Ron! =D>
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One more thing. The way delineators do it is to put a thin dark line indicating a cast shadow from mullions and muntons. This is not accurate of course but it does make things pop. So if the muntons are relatively dark, the shadow would be darker and the stuff behind lighter to separate. The mullions would be the deepest and cast the longest shadow and the cast shadow would be darkest on the glass, the shadow on the muntons slightly lighter the muntons are not flush to the glass but almost so they would cast a very thin shadow and so on. I hope I make sense here. I am aware that how I think of things as a delineator and how reality is is not the same.
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wizard509
One more thing. The way delineators do it is to put a thin dark line indicating a cast shadow from mullions and muntons. This is not accurate of course but it does make things pop. So if the muntons are relatively dark, the shadow would be darker and the stuff behind lighter to separate. The mullions would be the deepest and cast the longest shadow and the cast shadow would be darkest on the glass, the shadow on the muntons slightly lighter the muntons are not flush to the glass but almost so they would cast a very thin shadow and so on. I hope I make sense here. I am aware that how I think of things as a delineator and how reality is is not the same.
Everything you said makes perfect sense and I will make adjustments. Thanks Larry.
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Thanks Ron. I still remember many of the tricks I used to do, most of which I worked out for myself over many years, the name of the game was to make every thing "read" properly. I guess that was why I was in high demand as a delineator. At least I used to be.
I have never considered myself an artist but a painter and knew my craft very well.
As long as I can remember, I am more than willing to share what little knowledge I have.
Did I ever tell you that my desk was one of the areas on the tour they gave clients, and
many of those wrote saying how impressed they were particularly after stopping by my desk. I often then received a letter from management saying "well you did it again.
Well that was long ago.
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Now...
Sometimes in editing complex drawings like this, I forget to adjust object's positioning after editing them or objects around them. Such was the case with Sherlock. It wasn't that window and he were not distinguished from one another, but that I had forgot to "move" him back behind the window. However, that's corrected now. I've also adjusted the stucco shading and texture, refined the wood framing, added some variation in the brick as I thought it looked too even in the overall shading, and did the same to the sidewalk curbing.
I'll take a break from this and come back to it later to see if I detect any other desired changes.
Let me know, anybody, if you detect and oversight.
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With these and the previous tweaks, the whole composition looks much more balanced. Great job, Ron!
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God, Ron, you ought tro sell this one tro Jaqui Lawson eCards for 100,000 US!
I'm serious.
Except for the money part which is (slightly) exaggerated.
Mind-blowing, Ron. simply the Best.
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Fantastic Ron, The muntons show and everything looks really good. At least I don't detect anything obvious. Glad to see such well deserved glowing remarks from the others. =D>=D>=D>
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Thanks very much Boy, Gary and Larry.
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Ok,
So, one of my grandsons got the idea of adding a woman reading a book. Then, months later he suggested Dr. Watson typing Holmes memoirs on his typewriter. (yes, typewriters were common place in the mid 1850s)
So, I decided to throw in Mrs. Hudson peaking out at Moriarty. Hence, we now have Sherlock, Watson, Mrs. Hudson and Moriarty and OH yes, a passenger in the hack.
A few things have been moved around, but this is IT!
I'll set it aside until I've got the dough to have it printed on canvas at Costco. 40 inch x 30 inch.
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Excellent Ron. Thanks for the update.
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Fun stuff, Ron! You did more than move a few things around: you changed almost every detail!
You could make a 'spot the differences' game out of it. I estimate there are at least a few dozen differences.
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Ron, you've got to HTML5 animate it (GSAP)!
Acorn
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Wonderful, Ron. Might the figure in the cab be Irene Adler, "The only woman he ever loved"?
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Penny O'Rorke
Wonderful, Ron. Might the figure in the cab be Irene Adler, "The only woman he ever loved"?
PENNY!:D
That is an excellent observation! I hadn't thought of it, but that's what it will be heretofore.
Thank you!
Thanks for your comments Eric, Boy and Acorn!
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That's perfect Ron, just perfect.
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gray
That's perfect Ron, just perfect.
Thanks, Gray!
It was a lot of work over a long period of time and many changes, but it was also fun.
I'm working on a new one. I'm not sure what the title will be, but it will be something to do with an old man, scientist, inventor.
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This is an awesome expose of vector fortitude! :D MOAR PLEEZE!
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This is an awesome expose of vector fortitude! :D MOAR PLEEZE!
Thanks hseiken. I've got a new one coming up fairly soon. Been working on several.
Coming up: "Burning The Night Oil."
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I LOVE it, Ron.
Would you ever be up for allowing my to filter your wonderful composition to degrade it slightly, to look more like a faded painting, please let me know!
It absolutely doesn't need anything else, though.
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I hope Ron agrees to your suggestion Gary, Ron's work is fantastic and it would be great to see it as a faded painting.
Stygg
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Gare
I LOVE it, Ron.
Would you ever be up for allowing my to filter your wonderful composition to degrade it slightly, to look more like a faded painting, please let me know!
It absolutely doesn't need anything else, though.
Gare,
I'd LOVE to see something new!
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I did a oil paint filter. Anything like this Gare?
I can post a distress look too. Working on it.
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1. NOT to take anything away from your work.
2. NOT to take anything from your work!
3. See #1.
Let me see, and this has to happen across a day or two, how I can add to your magnificent work without distractions, Ron.
You, you have a statement here.
This also applies to the oil filter you ran over your art previously in this thread.
Me? A lot of times I just work on a still life, and then modify it with a paint program and paint filters. This rendered model of a handshake lacks "human" qualities, ironically, so I painted over it and then mottled a lot of the flat surfaces with the selective application of a really good watercolor filter.
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Should you encourage me (!), the composition will not look like the hands composition. I drive the software, as you do; the software doesn't drive us! Unless you have the Pro Pro Edition of Xara!
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My feeling, for as much as I love Xara, is that a visual concept doesn't "belong" to a specific rendering software. And that's why I also feel that merely filtering something makes it different, but not necessarily better than the original. Filtering always removes something of the original; sometimes it's a good move, other times, it just hides something you didn't intend. Which is useful for me in a time crunch and I need to artificiality enhance some work.
If you have some free learning time, and want to go beyond filters to enhance a bitmap copy of your Xara work:
Rebelle
ArtRage
My Best,
Gary
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Thanks, Gare!
(Unless you have the Pro Pro Edition of Xara!) ????
I'll look into both programs and see what I think.
What do you think of FotoSketcher?
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Ron Duke
Thanks, Gare!
(Unless you have the Pro Pro Edition of Xara!) ????
I'll look into both programs and see what I think.
What do you think of FotoSketcher?
Fotosketcher is free and most capable set of filters that can be tuned, and even applied only over where you drag with the brush tool.
No foolin' around: The tools I grew up with, like Photoshop, CorelDRAW, Painter, 3D Studio Max, grew out of my price range to continually upgrade. This hasn't happened to anyone else, right? ;)
I think I'm working just as smart as I used to with leaner, less expensive, new programs. I don't buy "junk" just out of spite, solely because the price is attractive. I do my homework, and I promise not tom shill anything on tg.
Software gets my nod when it commands a price artists can bear, and the features truly work, supplement and occasionally replace some manufacturer who has priced themselves out of my own business.
ArtRage is nuts: a real competitor to Corel Painter at a fraction of the price. If your need is to create using media that looks and responds like real oils, a palette knife, pencil, kneaded eraser and so on. It's stripped down version is $30—$80 for the adult version—the developers worked for KTP/ Fractal Design for a long while, so you might note some UI similarities, not one in the least the bloody thing is FUN to use and play with as you learn!
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The effects are pretty...artrageous!
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Gare,
You're a mentor.
I'm slow of mind, and I have to admit, a little overwhelmed by all your points/statements/suggestions. Please forgive me for not expressing an appropriate response to all of your very kind and knowledgeable recommendations and help! I really appreciate you taking the time to share a little bit of your wisdom!
I will look at those programs for which you posted links. I also have to admit, I live on a shoestring budget. Purchasing anything requires for me to seriously count the cost.
I really do appreciate your critiques and for even giving me the time of day!
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Hey, Ron—
We're both, and perhaps all, in the same boat regarding software we think we need and what practically we can afford. I had to give one of my nephews an odd glance the other day when he said, "Well, that software is a business expense for you, isn't it? You can just buy it and then take it off next year's taxes."
I love my little dip! I had to explain to to someone for the umpteenth time that taking software off one's taxes doesn't get you your money back! You cannot make a living as an artist by spending yourself into poverty, and then using Accounting for Idiots™ to turn a payment deduction into a magic faucet that pours your investment right back into a Magical Unicorn bucket.
Ron, as soon as I get my watch fixed, I'll give you the time of day anytime, man! :) Here; I've been told that it's always 10:12am somewhere in the world
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Let's do continue this chat on my gallery, not yours, Ron. I hate "butting" into someone else's gallery. This is your place to shine, man.
♥ Talkin' 'bout money, art, and the cosmos ♥
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Gare
Hey, Ron—
We're both, and perhaps all, in the same boat regarding software we think we need and what practically we can afford. I had to give one of my nephews an odd glance the other day when he said, "Well, that software is a business expense for you, isn't it? You can just buy it and then take it off next year's taxes."
I love my little dip! I had to explain to to someone for the umpteenth time that taking software off one's taxes
doesn't get you your money back! You cannot make a living as an artist by spending yourself into poverty, and then using
Accounting for Idiots™ to turn a payment deduction into a magic faucet that pours your investment right back into a Magical Unicorn bucket.
Ron, as soon as I get my watch fixed, I'll give you the time of day anytime, man! :) Here; I've been told that it's always 10:12am somewhere in the world
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Let's do continue this chat on my gallery, not yours, Ron. I hate "butting" into someone else's gallery. This is your place to shine, man.
♥ Talkin' 'bout money, art, and the cosmos ♥
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That's cool, Gare. Comment all you want.