Is there a way to remove "text inside" from a shape? It leaves a distracting green outline on shapes. Also I'm really not a fan of this new default behaviour when typing over a shape, anyway to change/disable it?
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Is there a way to remove "text inside" from a shape? It leaves a distracting green outline on shapes. Also I'm really not a fan of this new default behaviour when typing over a shape, anyway to change/disable it?
You could search the registry for ClickToCreateTextInside and set the value to 0 I think.
Tried in 16.1 test version. In this version it is converted back to a shape when all text is deleted.
This should be the default behaviour I believe, if no text is within a shape it will remove the text area from within.Quote:
Originally Posted by siran
I'm on v15.1 and if I remove all the text it shows the green outline. I had exported a png and it even exported the green outlines so I had to redo the shapes making sure not to click text in them. If it removes it in v16 automaticllay that is good to know. I'll check out that reg edit, thanks.
Edit: yup looks like it's disabled with ClickToCreateTextInside set to 0, thanks.
I have to wonder if this was even something that most users wanted? And to make it the default is counter productive. But maybe this is just me.
Kate Moir was adamant that it featured very high in user polls. It is any thing that mucks up what used to be a very clear, concise workflow as you are dependent or obscure menu selections. But maybe this is just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwpriester
Acorn
Genuinely interested in the comments here. I don't see any problem with the way text inside works. True, the pop-up to ask what you want is annoying and I'm sure we'd all have a different view on how to handle it. But on the whole, I'd be sorry to see it go.
What are the obscure menu selections? All I've ever come across are the resizing handles and now I'm worried I'm missing out on shiny things :D I also can't recreate the green box when deleting text, which again makes me think I'm not aware of something I could be making use of.
Chris, a simple User Experience (UX) test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris M
- Create a white box with a thin black line.
- Switch to the Text tool and click on the box.
- For the pop-up, pick Auto-fit inside.
- Click outside the box then inside the box.
- Result: the Text Inside text area is gone.
- Switch to the Select tool and click on the box.
- Repeat (2) & (3).
- This time, press Ctrl+Shift+L to add some random text.
- Test#1: With this presented text, change your Auto-fit inside selection to Fixed inside. You may not use Undo and start over as the random text will be different.
- Test#2: Still with the Text tool selected, find the menu entry that is "Text inside".
- Test#3: With the found Text Inside menu selection, or otherwise, make your box twice as tall. What might the otherwises be?
- Test#4: Still with the Text tool selected, place the cursor at the end of the text block and describe what has happened to the Text inside menu entry.
- Test#5: Still with the Text tool selected, highlight a single word and describe what has happened to the Text inside menu entry.
- Test#6: Using text inside menu entry, select the Properties option and enter a large number. Note the error pop-up value and enter that number. Advise if this errors.
- Test#7: Instead, use the red control handles and shrink the text area to its smallest. Now check the Properties by click the OK button.
- Test#8: Using text inside menu entry, select Detach. Explain why the detached text now fill the box area.
- Test#9: Add a thin bevel and try and adjust the size of the text area.
- Test#10: just for fun, create a box with No Fill and try to add Text Inside. Explain how you managed.
Go to the Help file or the XDPX PDF Manual and look up Text Inside.
I contend the above is obscure on several levels.
Acorn
P.S. In v16.1, the green box is no longer and issue.
To get one, use Insert > Text Box. If you click away from it, the green outline remains; it no longer renders on a website (unlike a selected Smart Table cell).
I'm definitely caught in this now. Most of my playing didn't produce the same problems. I'm using WDP 16.1 but I'll have access to XDP 16.1 tomorrow and will repeat the tests.
Your instructions were very clear and I'm 99% sure I followed correctly:
Test #1 - Couldn't find a way to change Autofit to Fixed Inside.
Test #2 - Failed for the above reason.
Test #3 - The box expanded and the text remained fixed to the top. Shrinking the box pushed the text out of bounds. With Auto fit the box expanded but the text did not. I went back to the text tool and expanded the text manually.
Test #4 - Nothing. The cursor blinked happily and I was able to add text. I then backspaced and was able to delete individual letters. The text remained normal in both Fixed and Auto mode.
Test #5 - I can highlight by mouse dragging over a word or double clicking a word. The word selects and nothing happens to the other words. The text remains as I would expect.
Test #6 - Error reads select padding between 0 and 100px. Enter 100 and text does as expected but resizing handles remain at their original position. A manual 'nudge' is required to make the handles spring to the text box size.
Test #7 - Padding throws the same 0 to 100 error unless there is a least one line of text in the text box.
Test #8 - The text detaches in the same manner as ungrouping, it remains in the same place but can be independently moved manually.
Test #9 - I'm using WDP which doesn't have the bevel option, but I'll try this tomorrow at a friends place.
Test #10 - Ha. The text and the fill are conjoined. I thought I had you by making the fill transparent and then making the text black...black fill. Starting with a transparent fill and then adding text is a non starter, no offer of anything.
I can't judge the manual as I must confess ALL manuals induce a coma like state. I usually skim through for a specific problem as a last resort. I'm afraid reading one like a book is water and a ducks back for my brain.
This is interesting stuff.
I have a position once in charge of 45 Technical Authors who imbued me with rigour in checking, reading & testing. Later, when embedded with developers and TAs, I ensured that the developers had the responsibility for the software but also "owned" the documentation. It became their responsibility to indicate where the manuals were affected and describe it to their best. The TAs had a far easier job then of updating content, in reader terms. I feels for Rob-Xar if he has to understand the changes and then work out what the manuals have to include. Xara need to keep a UX & style tzar at hand to ensure the workflows are not broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris M
The simpler approach to these new features should be to adopt what Xara does for Links: click on a Link and a pop-up box of options appears.
MS Word has a similar and powerful pop-up mechanism for applying styles to highlighted text.
Acorn
That explains your uncanny ability to remember, and recite, fine details and the desire to dig to the bottom of things. I have a customer who likes to educate me in different styles of the human mind (pragmatist, theorist and others). You're one of those that likes to absorb as much info as possible before committing. Apparently they're the hardest to sell to. I forget which one, and why because I'm not in that group. I'm in the 'what if' group, always curious but easily satisfied.
Try adding Text Inside to a shape with a Contour or an Envelope.
Acorn
Try selecting the shape in the layer gallery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
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What I have in v16.1 is Contour Group > (Contour, Rectangle), the opposite way to you. It is further different in v15.Quote:
Originally Posted by mwenz
Now, I can add Text Inside to a Box and then Contour it.
If I do, I can make the text all vanish.
For envelopes, you can precede with Text Inside and Envelope. The fun then comes with another menu item to Edit inside to be able to alter the text.
I re-iterate, Text Inside, function and operation, are obscure.
Acorn
Yes, the positions are reversed. I was using 16.x of P&GD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
In XDP 16.x, if I select the contour, pick the text tool and attempt to click inside it, I get the prompt for what to do with the text inside. I do not see any issue—or maybe I am failing to follow simple instructions...
If I then use the envelope tool, right click on the result, I can choose to open the mould to edit the text inside. I fail to see a problem.
Your mthod is not working in v16.1. I stress the problem is remembering which technique to follow or explain to others. Collectively, they are haphazard. Not everyone knows there is a Open mould option or its purpose. As far we have describe three differnt paths to getting Text inside to function. Four, if your throw in Timeline 01, where one can only Text Inside the first bubble.Quote:
Originally Posted by mwenz
Acorn
I am using XDP 16.1 and it is working fine here.
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Can't test the contour one, but I agree, I can't add text to an envelope, like you I can add the text first and then create the envelope. I can't edit the text after making the envelope, but it's still a nice effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
I lied previously. I said the XDP was v16.1, it isn't, it's 16 but I'll still post my results from you previous tests:
Test #1 and 2 - I still can't find a way to change from Auto Fit to Fixed.
#3 - Need to hold ALT to resize and padding alters.
#4 - Same as WDP.
#5 - Same as WDP.
#6 - Same as WDP.
#7 - Same as WDP.
#8 - Loses padding
#9 - I can alter the size using both the red handles and highlighting the text and changing font size from the menu.
Yes. I've noticed little things that I write off as quirks between WDP and XPD (changing the colour of a fill or line for instance). I would have thought it would be a case of making the flagship product and then removing some of the features for the rest of the product line. Having said that, I ain't no software developer, the nearest I get is to programming is typing chksk in a DOS prompt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acorn
"chksk"? Perhaps "chkdsk /?" might be what you are describing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris M
Acorn
P.S. See! Can't help it.
:D My point exactly. Or do I know some secret Ultra Code from the arcane scrolls of Doctor Dos?